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Old 07-06-2017, 08:20 PM   #1
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Media Nuclear Survival Guides: What is missing?

Something seems to be missing from these guides.

No mention of a pen knife, a means to make a fire, or something else? Unless I misread them.

If a nuclear bomb explodes, these are the emergency supplies you should have prepared or grab on the run

Nuclear fallout safety: Why going indoors could save your life - Business Insider
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Like many “survivalist” ideals, you see once again “heading for the hills” is a bad idea. I thought the list was pretty good, but yeah you’re going to need something for self defense. Large groups of people tend to get panicky and the dumb one’s will quickly turn to violence because they don’t have the mental capacity to do much else; so you have to be prepared for that.

Personally, if I’m in an are that’s going to be nuked, I’d much prefer my house be ground zero. I’m not sure I want to survive a nuclear holocaust.
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Something seems to be missing from these guides.

No mention of a pen knife, a means to make a fire, or something else? Unless I misread them.
I shouldn't think one would have too much difficulty in procuring fire in the aftermath of a nuclear strike ......
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Like many “survivalist” ideals, you see once again “heading for the hills” is a bad idea. I thought the list was pretty good, but yeah you’re going to need something for self defense. Large groups of people tend to get panicky and the dumb one’s will quickly turn to violence because they don’t have the mental capacity to do much else; so you have to be prepared for that.

Personally, if I’m in an are that’s going to be nuked, I’d much prefer my house be ground zero. I’m not sure I want to survive a nuclear holocaust.
Kevin, have you ever seen the movie, "Panic in the Year Zero?" Produced circa 1960, it was an alarmist film about a Los Angelos family, who were just lucky enough to leave L.A. on a vacation, camper in tow, when a nuclear war transpired. They watched from a distance as L. A. went up in a huge mushroom cloud. They were prepared for camping but not well provisioned for survival, and the husband became somewhat ruthless in procuring weapons and food, and they literally ... "headed for the hills"....as there was really no other choice.
Unfortunatly it did not cut them off from humanity, and what was left of them were not ..."happy campers" ... if you get the drift.
But had they been at home they'd never have survived ... and at the end of the film, they also do find that they were better off joining up with what was left of the goodguy survivors, being aided by army and national guard, than roughing it.
It was a fairly decent film as these films go, better than most. No mutant monsters, just a few monster humans....
But I won't claim it's a realistic portrayal of the aftermath of a nuclear war. NO one can say that. But IMHO it's worth a view.
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Tommy,

My point is more that there is a time to get mobile, and a time to stay in place.

Like the article said, you’re not going to out-run the fallout, and emergency response just won’t be there like it is at a nuke plant meltdown. So staying in place, indoors is your best bet for the first 48 hours. I firmly believe following that, the best step is to bind your community together for communal provision and defense. If that fails, then its time to go mobile. Also, if organized gangs/militias begin raiding, it’s time to get the hell out of Dodge. But barring that, binding a community together, provding leadership and putting people to work toward a common goal is the best course of action. That takes cool headed, intelligent people…something America seems to have in very small supply.
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It’s all rather academic…these rogue nuclear states aren’t anywhere near as dangerous as the media or certain politicians portray them. North Korea, and especially Iran, are a bit crazy, but crazy like a Fox. They’re playing politics for their own good, and they’ll always stop short of doing something stupid because the repercussions are just UGLY if they let a nuke loose. It would be absolute, utter destruction for their entire nations…and in the end, none of them want that any more than we want some random US city nuked. 10 minutes before the first missile is launched, a low trajectory launch from an SSBN would turn every real city in North Korea into a grease spot…so what would Lil-Kim have accomplished? He’s a little un-stable…but he’s not crazy, and he’s nobody’s fool.
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It’s all rather academic…these rogue nuclear states aren’t anywhere near as dangerous as the media or certain politicians portray them. North Korea, and especially Iran, are a bit crazy, but crazy like a Fox. They’re playing politics for their own good, and they’ll always stop short of doing something stupid because the repercussions are just UGLY if they let a nuke loose. It would be absolute, utter destruction for their entire nations…and in the end, none of them want that any more than we want some random US city nuked. 10 minutes before the first missile is launched, a low trajectory launch from an SSBN would turn every real city in North Korea into a grease spot…so what would Lil-Kim have accomplished? He’s a little un-stable…but he’s not crazy, and he’s nobody’s fool.
I hope you're right about them "playing crazy like a fox." For the most part you are probably right. But I am also reminded of the calculation Tojo made regarding his country's attack on Pearl Harbor and the resultant American response. It did not turn out well for Japan.
Leaders make stupid ego-driven mistakes.
The midget madman of North Korea strikes me as one who could make such a mistake. Iran.....not so much really, but still a danger to nearby countries especially Israel.
NoKo's Kim is a tad more than unstable, IMHO. He's exactly the type to make an ego driven mistake, despite repercussions..

I also recall Enoch Powell's maxim: "History is littered with wars everybody knew would never happen."

In the end I'm not losing any sleep over North Korean krazies or Iran....it's just something to be aware of. We live in interesting times....but then, we alway have. I still remember the Cuban Missile Crisis. That was fun!


P.S: My reference to the movie in the earlier post wasn't intended to suggest it was anything more than entertainment. I can't say it was accurate, but I hope we never find out!
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