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|12-28-2004, 09:02 PM||#1|
Join Date: Feb 2004
Suggestions on Remington 1100/11-87
I've thinking of getting more into skeet/trap and maybe sporting clays and have been looking at buying a new/used Remington 1100 or 11-87. I do not intend to use them for hunting. Any suggestions on which one would be better? Thanks in advance.
|12-28-2004, 10:13 PM||#2|
Automatics can be a bit of a pain to operate on the trap and skeet field. With a pump you drop in a shell and close the action. You have to diddle with auto a bit more and the bolt handle is always too small.
I shoot trap with a Winchester Model 97 12ga 32" Full and have a lot of fun. Skeet is another story all together. You're a lot closer to the birds and they are moving across your field of fire. You need a much quicker and lighter gun.
|12-29-2004, 09:02 AM||#3|
Join Date: Mar 2004
go with the 11-87- there was a time when the 1100 was king, but that time has come and gone- you used to see a lot of them on the t&s circut, and it's esentially the same gun, but , with the 1100 sonner or later you're going to run into a parts problem- also , you never know how that gun has been used- i had an 870 i got used that was so bad the bars would bind every time you pumped it- turned out it was a trap shooter's gun and he'd worn the bars almost smooth so it wouldn't lock up properly- ie he'd widened the channel in the reciever so bad it was sloppy- besides- the 11-87 has the rem-choke so you get 3-4 barrels in one , and is set up for steel and probably magnum loads( i may be wrong on that last one) chances are the 1100 is set up for lead only, fixed full, and 2 3/4 shells only- so you're looking at 200 bucks or so just to change the barrel over to one with the rem-choke- lord only knows what shape it's in-
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|12-29-2004, 12:58 PM||#4|
Join Date: Mar 2002
That is the first post I've ever read about an 870 wearing out. My 870's are well-used and working just fine. I know guys with literally thousands upon thousands upon thousands of rounds through 870's with no breakage or enough wear to make them stop. A worn out steel receiver? I repeat. Wow! That's some story.
2 3/4" shells - and you have ever needed 3" shells for skeet and/or trap (or any clay game) why again?
My 1100 is a magnum but I run a 2 3/4" barrel on it. It is a 21" twin bead, VR barrel with a MOD choke. The clays break just fine. Not a whole lot of choke changing in the clay games I've seen, unless you're talking Sporting Clays but then I use fixed choke guns for Sporting Clays as well.
Parts - what parts do you need to replace on an 1100? I put a new o-ring in mine when I bought it and that's it. The 1100 is still in production so I've no idea why you would suggest a parts problem.
Also, when Remington decided to make a new Competition Master, they chose the 1100 platform. Why would they do that if it were antiquated?
In short, if you are looking for a semi for clay games, I would suggest an 1100. They are rock-solid reliable.
|12-29-2004, 05:44 PM||#5|
Join Date: Mar 2004
yea- i found that hard to believe too- my dad's old remington 31 trap is still going strong- the only thing i can think of is a lack of lube- either that or maybe a bad fit or something grinding the bars away- like some sort of abrasive dirt - or maybe someone did a number on the bars to make it feed faster or smoother or something and mucked the thing- anyway, if you use your 1100 for tri-gun , you know that 2 3/4 magnum buckshot jam up the mechaism big time- i wonder if the 11-87 does that- ? i can't think that remington introduced the 11-87 just for the sake of having something new- if you look at the exploded diagrams you'll see that the 1100 and 11-87 are pretty close if not mirror images ( i can't spot the diff) anyway, i've got a 1100( since 75) 28inch plain full but i do ducks and geese- and i'm planning on getting a rem-choke ( about$ 200) for a new tube- i was speaking of the average 1100 you'll see on the used gun rack- an awful lot of them are duck/goose guns - so you'll need a different barrel for t& s
count on adding that to your 1100 used price- unless you find one that's already got it
|01-01-2005, 07:10 AM||#6|
Join Date: Oct 2004
Let me add my $.02 here....
The 1100 has won more clay titles than any other repeater...they are designed to shoot target loads or 3" magnum but not both like the 11-87. The guns are "Use specific"to coin a new terminology and are not designed to be universal guns. If you want to hunt ducks you will need a 3" magnum 1100 as the target guns will not cycle reliably. The 11-87 was designed as an upgrade and can handle both target loads and magnum loads. The 11-87 had problems and was known on T & S ranges as the "Lemon 87" because of its less than perfect reliability. Remington has improved the 11-87 and current guns work fine.
Remington tried to discontinue the 1100 but ran into heavy opposition from shooters, and Beretta with it's 390 series started replacing Remington as the gun to shoot. Wall mart of all people got into the act demanding Remington produce 1100's to sell in their stores. The guns sold better than the 11-87 and Remington has been forced to continue production.
The 1100 will be with us for a long time.
|01-06-2005, 05:45 AM||#7|
Join Date: Oct 2002
I bought a well used 1100 a while back when my brother suggested I try shooting at moving targets. It was my first shotgun, so I was reluctant to pay a lot, and I offered $175 on this thing, and underneath the worn finish is a real masterpiece. It's solid and reliable, and (after a bit of practice), hammers those clay pigeons about as well as the guys who spend more than 10 times as much. Okay, one guy has 100 times as much invested, and he can outshoot me, but my total investment in the sport is under $200, I bring it to the range in an original-type cardboard box, and it just embarrases a lot of guns with more pretentious bloodlines. This is the most fun I've had with the least investment. I highly recommend the 1100. It works great, you just need a shell catcher (~$10 - 12) to trap the casings, and an old surplus belt case to hold your shells (a simple $4 GI medical pouch works for this). If you gotta have choke tubes, you can add them for $85 (Carlson's, I think, does the mod). But the Mod tube has worked just fine for me, although it is a bit tight if learning skeet, so you are forced to be a better shot..... And did I mention the 1100 12ga recoils like a 20ga? Very, very pleasant to shoot. Never heard a bad word about em at the range, but I did get several offers to sell at a good profit, and almost everyone says they also have one around. Add a long magazine tube and you can shoot IPSC side matches. This is one purchase you won't regret.
Addendum -- I forgot about parts: In 1500 rds, I once changed the o-ring. Cost a little over a buck. I guess I will need another one soon. The whole set of piston seals is only about $15. And if you keep the piston seal area clean (clean off the carbon every 100 rds or so), it is reliable and runs like a champ. Since they have made several million, I doubt there will be any parts issues within the next century. You can pay a lot more, but I doubt there is any better deal for someone who wants one shotgun to do it all. Do NOT buy a pump if you want to be competitive shooting doubles. You can do it, if you are good, but you will be at a major disadvantage.
|01-31-2005, 08:19 AM||#8|
Join Date: Oct 2004
Paid a visit to the New Gander Mountain store in Johnson city NY (Binghamton).
The racks are full of shotguns and the most prominent were the offerings from Remington:
Model1100 Trap, with monte carlo stock and embossed gold chicken on the receiver.
Model 1100 sporting in 4 gauges. The 28 has a 27" bbl with extended choke tubes. Wood stock to die for! (Wet spot over that one)
Model 1100 field in 16 Gauge....
Model 1100 Competition Master...with 8 shot extension! Stupid grey plastic stock, 22" bbl and hi viz front sight.
All new guns!!!
The 1100 is back with a vengeance.
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