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Old 05-26-2016, 06:36 PM   #21
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Have you ever zeroed a rifle on the 1000 inch range?

FYI, the vast majority of firefights that MPs & other combat support/combat service support troops engage in are "within hand grenade throwing" range, short & very violent/bloody.

That's why I nearly always armed myself with a 7-shot Ithaca Model 37 pump-gun & loaded with 00 buckshot AND that's why I believe that such CS/CSS troops would be better armed with a SMG.

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I have.

I used to shoot for various reasons on a number of the test ranges that were part of the overall Springfield Armory complex. Depending on the activity, one of the 100yd indoor lanes we used was large enough for maybe 8 people to shoot easily while standing or kneeling side-by-side. Probably about the same for prone with a long gun but maybe only six, if a rollover technique was used with a pistol.

The “line” was set so you could sorta move people around and immediately behind it was a two rail, railroad-like track that ran across the width of the range, which accommodated a wheeled fixture upon which heavier devices could be mounted and fired, and then moved to the right or left and fired again. This not only made things easier than having to pick it up and move it (not that easy with some of what was tested there) or continuously having to walk downrange and change targets (electronically advanced target rolls were used on the also “stand up and shoot” 100yd range next to us; note that these were not test “tubes” like many gun manufacturers use indoors, they were real indoor "ranges") or bore one’s way through any amazingly deep sand backstop (and the wall of the building behind it) if one shot too long into the same place (with cones of fire being what they were with certain weapons).

However, there was a firing line “indicator” painted on the floor that was directly associated to another line painted on the floor downrange at the 1000 Inch point. And while we shot a lot of 5.56, .308, and 30-06 on that adjoining range with the electronically advanced targets, we also shot a great deal on this 1000 Inch marked range because it was both challenging and convenient (and a lot of fun too).

Sorta surprised that people here appear to think you were kidding.

In any case, thanks for bringing it up as it is something I haven’t given any thought to in a very long time: nothing like shooting into 1” squares or dramatically reduced size targets to see who buys lunch that day.

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Old 05-26-2016, 08:16 PM   #22
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P. Marlowe & All,

I once (LONGER AGO than I care to recall!!!) used the 1000 INCH range to teach M60 MG & for M16 too for USAR & ARNG marksmanship training.
(There are LOTS of outdoor pistol ranges in thousands of places that can be set up for 1000 inch weapons training & where a "full-size" range is simply UNAVAILABLE. - It only takes 27.78 yards of "free space".)

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P.Marlowe,

ONE of the games that we used to play on the 1000 inch range (after our MPs could hit most all or ALL of the "little boxes") was to draw an X with a ballpoint in each box & ask the guys/gals to put one 5.56 round in each "quadrant".

IF any of the students could do that for the whole group of boxes, I would buy the shooter a case of Colorado Kool Aid. - I didn't buy many cases of beer as that is HARD to do from even the prone position.
(Some years later, I found out that some of "my guys" had kept the unopened case of beer as a TROPHY of their shooting prowess.)

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When I was in basic training in the army, the first time we ever fired our M1s it was on the 1000 inch range. When I went to advanced infantry training we fired the old water cooled 1917 machine gun on the 1000 inch range. That was how we qualified with it shoot at a row of squares, six round bursts per square. WE also fired the 75 mm recoilless rifles at 1000 inches with a sub caliber device that used 30-06 ammo. Here is a 1000 inch machine gun target. you had to use the T&E mechanism to move your fire and follow the squares.

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Old 05-27-2016, 07:47 AM   #25
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bearcat6,

YEP. That's the one.

To All: Kid yourself NOT, IF you haven't "played that marksmanship game" it's FAR more difficult than it looks. - Shooting the "X-es" is REALLY a test of your skill.

Note: Not long after the MP Corps was opened to females, I had a "Nebraska farm girl" who could shoot the "X-es" from the SITTING position. = We called her, "Linda the HUNTRESS".
(She once told us that she hunted small game to feed the family & "After Daddy died, we didn't eat if I couldn't bring home the game." = I'd guess that HUNGER makes good shots.)

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Jeez, do I have to show you guys my lucky target again. 100 Yard five shot group, iron sights, 03-A3, with handloads. The high shot was the first one, I aimed at the bottom of the white bull. The other four I was aiming at six o'clock on the red.
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Jeez, do I have to show you guys my lucky target again. 100 Yard five shot group, iron sights, 03-A3, with handloads....
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NICE!!!!

IF you had been around "in my day" as a rangemaster, we would have invited you to be on the USAMPS weapons committee. - FACT.

IF a student could consistently score above the 95th percentile, they were recruited as an "associate" on the faculty, were given as much individual coaching as he/she wanted & then they had a chance to qualify for committee.

Note: "For public policy reasons" from HQDA, MP Corps does NOT have "snipers"; instead, we have "selected marksmen".
(One of the "games" that WC & SM play is "the 1 buck", which required the shooter to shoot a clothespin, holding a dollar bill off a "clothesline". IF you did shoot it off from 200M, you got to keep it. Miss & you got to hang one of yours on the line. - "Linda the Huntress" never went without a fistful of dollars.)

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