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Old 01-05-2012, 05:23 PM   #1
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Any AK User Out There? Mag Problem.

I've got 6 mags for my CAI "Yugo" AK. All of them have side to side wobble when inserted into the rifle. Two of them have up and down (of front to back) wobble. Those two give me misfeeds unless I'm holding the mag when shooting.

I think, since 4 out of the 6 work fine, those two mags are out of spec - not my rifle.

Sound logical, or wishful thinking?
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Old 01-05-2012, 06:13 PM   #2
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IrishCop,

yep, those must be WAY, WAY out-of-spec. AKs are made to function with most any misuse/condition, but there are limits. - return them to the seller, if you can.

yours, sw
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I'm running a WASR 10, which is the Romanian variant; I get a little wobble too with the metal mags, but they all run. The polymer ones are a bit tighter, they run fine as well.

I'll give my AK guy a shout tomorrow, I seem to remember him telling me that the import guns get altered somehow and that may have something to do with your problem.
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I have a WASR 10 as well. Side to side wobble is there and there will generally be a little bit of it there in these type guns. If the mags function they're good to go. Front-to-back wobble shouldn't be there due to the nature of how the AK mags latch.
Some AK type guns had single-stack mags and were altered to hand the doublestackers that are what are commonly used.
My M-1 Carbine also has a bit of mag wobble but it is pretty reliable. The problems it has are when I've tried to feed it soft nose or hollowpoint rounds. I think many magazine fed rifles have a bit of wobble.
But you ought not have to hold the mag to keep it from jamming up.
That does seem a mag problem to me.
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Thanks, guys.

Walt, let me know what your AK guy says. I know that CAI (or CIA - I've seen Centruy referred to as both) has a bad rep among serious AK folks. And yeah, I've read where imports are made for single stack 10 round mags, then hogged out to accept the double stack variety.

The two that came with the gun shoot fine. 2 of the 4 I bought from Copes (supposedly com-block manufacture but can't remember where) work, but 2 don't, at least not without holding the mag while shooting, I'm hoping it's the magazines. Since the mag catch is riveted on, I've got no way to replace it - no drill press to clean out the old rivets, and I've never riveted nothing in my life!
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Thanks, guys.

Walt, let me know what your AK guy says. I know that CAI (or CIA - I've seen Centruy referred to as both) has a bad rep among serious AK folks. And yeah, I've read where imports are made for single stack 10 round mags, then hogged out to accept the double stack variety.

The two that came with the gun shoot fine. 2 of the 4 I bought from Copes (supposedly com-block manufacture but can't remember where) work, but 2 don't, at least not without holding the mag while shooting, I'm hoping it's the magazines. Since the mag catch is riveted on, I've got no way to replace it - no drill press to clean out the old rivets, and I've never riveted nothing in my life!
Seth sez he'd put his money on it being the mag catch for precisely the reason you mentioned. He had the same problem with his Dad's gun; replacing the catch solved the problem. Side to side rattle ain't a big deal, but front to back may mean that the the round gets fed at an odd angle or not at all. He said to give him a call if you want; he's a good kid as well as being one of the designated rifle guys for the local PD. PM me if you want his number.
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Magazine side to side stability is determined by the lower rails on an AK. Contrary to popular internet chatter the dimples are not what stabilizes an AK magazine. Dimples exist as a last ditch item to stabilize a magazine. When the lower rails are completely worn out, the dimples will then take up the job of stabilizing the magazine, but at that point you have extremely wobbly magazines.

The magazine catch section of the magazine is tapered to allow for a great deal of wear, taking up the front/back wobble. If front/back wobble exists then it could be very worn magazines, bad magazine catch or a poorly assembled rifle. I would recommend Aim Surplus for steel magazines, they seem to consistently get good ones on the cheap. For synthetic magazines there is no better magazine (for any weapon) in existence than the Bulgarian Waffle Magazines that are sold by KVAR.

A quick fix for both steel and synthetic magazines for side to side wobble is to add JB Weld on either side of the magazine where it contacts the lower rails. Then file/sand the JB Weld section down until you get the fit you desire.

The AK is very impressive in that an extremely wobbly magazine will still work well in most AK’s. They build them AK’s Ford tough!!
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Thanks, Kevin. I actually put some JB Weld on the tab on the back of the afflicted mags and filed it to fit. Front to back wobble is now about the same as the 4 mags I have that worked fine.

Think I'm gonna look into those Bulgarian mags.

As an aside, I put a set of Meprolight night sights on my AK. What a GREAT daytime sight picture! A wide square rear notch and bold front post. The front post glow at night isn't great, but then again neither is my eyesight anymore.

All in all, well worth the hundred bucks.

I'm REALLY liking my AK!
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Like the addition of the Meprolites, I’ve thought about them myself. My AK wears an Aimpoint CompM2 (US M68 CCO) which covers me for a nighttime role as well as daytime optics; but I still shoot with the standard iron’s to stay frosty.

As a side note about tritium night sights on combat weapons. Once I was looking through some starlight goggles (Gen IV I think) and I looked at a guy who had a holstered pistol that was equipped with night sights and it looked like he had a small pen light in his pocket…I’ll never forget that; something to give serious thought to if you ever think you may be facing someone with Gen 1+ or better starlight optics. Tape ‘em up quick.

Since there’s about ZERO chance I’ll ever have that worry, I’m still interested in the Meprolites. But I know you’re a cop and the chance does exist you could run into sophisticated bad guys. But chances are your department would never allow you to carry an AK on duty. We all know that the second an AK hits your hands, you instantly turn into a dirty cop on the take looking to murder someone.
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Ak mags

There seems to be a lot of used european mags on the market as of late.

Most are refinished, but some are in poor condition.

Try some chicom mags they are pretty good and don't have the rib on the back.
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