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View Poll Results: would you use a bulpup?
feck no! it'll probably catch fire! 8 18.18%
meh, i never seen one in action. i'll have to get back to ya. 17 38.64%
i'd prefer it over a carbine. 10 22.73%
VIVE LA FAMAS! 9 20.45%
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Old 01-12-2004, 11:44 AM   #1
 
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anybody here like bulpups?

hi, i'm the new guy.


anyway, i'm not talking about the FAMAS, or the SA80. those are bad rifles. very bad. i'm talking about rifles like the AUG, or the OC-14. possibly even modding the M-14, or the FAL as bulpups, giveing them the managability of carbines, without losing accuracy.
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Old 01-12-2004, 12:44 PM   #2
 
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First off, welcome to the board. You will probably get a lot cooler greeting with good rules from a few members soon.

I would like a good quality bullpup. So far, I haven't seen any or shot any quality ones. I think back to the Bushy jamamatic. I love Bushy but those rifles had their problems. Some were reportedly good but most were not.

The new Army X rifles look promising and I am sure that HK will get it right one day.

Enjoy,

LNL Airborne
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Old 01-12-2004, 01:53 PM   #3
 
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yeah, that's why i belive that the best bulpup would be one that is simply a full sized rifle that just has it's stock removed. i mean, to get a rifle to be useful for close in fights, you need to shorten it. you either shorten the barrel, and make it less accurate, or you remove the stock.

personally, i'd rather lose the stock.
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Old 01-12-2004, 04:50 PM   #4
 
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I had the Mossberg bullpup shotgun and I dumped it once I got over the "Coolness" of it
The sights were miserable, but then, so was the trigger--super spongy which I here is common on all bullpups
Maybe they could try an electric ignition a la etrox from Remington. Otherwise you may never get a good trigger
Thats my only bullpup experience and its enough.
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Old 01-13-2004, 06:00 AM   #5
 
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I like the concept of shortning the rifle while keeping the barrel lenght. They looks cool. Firing one is another story. I have had a rifle blow up on me once. I was shooting from the hip so basically just numb stinging hands but if I would have had that weapon shouldered it would have blown up out front of me where as the the action of a bulpup is basically in your face. The steyr Aug rates at the top and the norinco AK bulpup at the bottom, with the bushmaster, valmet, mossberg in the middle.
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Old 01-13-2004, 09:11 AM   #6
 
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what about an M-14 Bulpup?
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Old 01-13-2004, 11:14 AM   #7
 
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Gunny I do believe there were 2 M14 type bulpups built and if you can locate one the price tag is up around 8 grand. For that price I would stick with the SOPMOD Walthers probably made the best bulpup ever.Designated as the WA 2000 and was built for sniping. Caliber 300 win mag and some in .308. Sported a 25" barrel weighed in at a hefty 15lbs and was expensive to build. There fore there were only about 500 ever made before being shelved. Blue book says 18,000 for one.
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Old 01-13-2004, 12:53 PM   #8
 
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8 grand?! damn! all you'd need to do is make a new stock, and move the trigger forward! hell, i could do that myself! you know, i think i will.
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Old 01-13-2004, 01:07 PM   #9
 
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I'm not a fan myself, but like others, I have never encountered a good one.
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Old 01-14-2004, 10:51 AM   #10
 
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I had to hold my nose to do it (A French Rifle? How many times was it dropped?), but yes, bullpups are the way to go! My Law Enforcement Agency adopted the Steyr AUG, and I was the lead instructor for 9 years. I love it. It does everything an M16AWhatever will do, without having to bolt all kinds of additional junk on it. Has the forward grip, optical sight, OK, add a surefire light.
And, I put 14,000 (yes, 14,000) rounds through one without cleaning! It ran 100%, and was still in spec!

I also used one in the field, it saved my bacon several times. Nobody wanted to challenge me when I had the AUG. It's the #1 5.56 rifle. I still have a semi (ours were semi/3shot) for those times when I want to shoot 5.56. Funny thing is, it is so easy to hit with, no one wants to shoot it much. Put the doughnut on the target, press the trigger, get a hit.
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Old 01-17-2004, 01:50 AM   #11
 
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I did shoot a friend's AUG (actually a USR, I think).

I liked it a lot (though I never liked it enough to shell out the bucks for it). If Steyr made one in a better caliber, I'd be all over it.


-tINY
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Old 01-17-2004, 08:27 AM   #12
 
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I dislike bullpups as a rule simply because they lack proper balance for accurate shooting or fast CQB employment because all the weight is behind the pistol grip. Also, they are completely useless for use as a club, and with a bayonet, a good hatchet would be a better choise. The only advantage is if you have a real need for ultra-compactness, if not, get a real rifle.

P.S. The FAMAS (or Le Clerion(sic)) is not all that bad a weapon.
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Old 01-20-2004, 08:59 AM   #13
 
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Originally Posted by warhawke
I dislike bullpups as a rule simply because they lack proper balance for accurate shooting or fast CQB employment because all the weight is behind the pistol grip. Also, they are completely useless for use as a club, and with a bayonet, a good hatchet would be a better choise. The only advantage is if you have a real need for ultra-compactness, if not, get a real rifle.

P.S. The FAMAS (or Le Clerion(sic)) is not all that bad a weapon.

They excel in CQB actually, due to short profile, and most weight at hour shoulder, meaning you don't have to swing a heavy barrel and bolt assembly around. I love them personally. It all depends on your preference, IMO. I've held a FAMAS and an AUG, and loved how they felt. Had I had the chance to fire them, I might be able to say more. From what I hear, accuracy isn't much of a problem, nor is function.

And the FAMAS has been GREATLY improved over the years. They get great reviews now. (and with that insane ROF, you can't go wrong!)
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Old 01-20-2004, 10:43 AM   #14
 
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I've held a FAMAS and an AUG, and loved how they felt.
Your probably kicking your self in the aress for not getting that Fasmas. Price tag if you can even find one these days is around 8 grand. It is one of the few rifles that sliped through the cracks in my collection but i refuse to pay 8 grand for a french rifle :P
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Old 01-20-2004, 11:10 AM   #15
 
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I'd refuse to pay that much for ANYTHING French.

I didn't have the option to buy, and out here in NJ getting something like that would require an act of God anyway.
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Old 01-20-2004, 01:08 PM   #16
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The AUG has always impressed me as an ergonomic design but I didn't care for the fixed optical sight. It removed too many tactical sighting choices, plain low power optical sight, 4x telescopic sight, variable telescopic, tritium cross hairs or red dot for low light, night vision etc. Keep in mind that I've only had a chance to hold an AUG a couple of times and did get to shoot a USR once. I liked how both rifles felt and how they come up to the shoulder.

I do think the AUG would be a far better choice than the M4 carbine. What's the OAL of the M4 with it's short barrel? What's the OAL of an AUG with a 20" barrel?

Do any countries use the AUG for a service weapon?

I do know that when I eventually give up on Kalifornia and move an AUG will be one of the first "evil" rifles I buy.
 
Old 01-21-2004, 04:38 AM   #17
 
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The AUG has always impressed me as an ergonomic design but I didn't care for the fixed optical sight. It removed too many tactical sighting choices, plain low power optical sight, 4x telescopic sight, variable telescopic, tritium cross hairs or red dot for low light, night vision etc. Keep in mind that I've only had a chance to hold an AUG a couple of times and did get to shoot a USR once. I liked how both rifles felt and how they come up to the shoulder.

I do think the AUG would be a far better choice than the M4 carbine. What's the OAL of the M4 with it's short barrel? What's the OAL of an AUG with a 20" barrel?

Do any countries use the AUG for a service weapon?

I do know that when I eventually give up on Kalifornia and move an AUG will be one of the first "evil" rifles I buy.

There are many versions of the AUG, many of which have a rail system instead of the fixed optics. A few countries use it as their primary, I know Austria and Australia both do, I forget the others.
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Old 01-21-2004, 10:44 AM   #18
 
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Add New Zealland, Saudi SF, and I several other SF in the middle East.
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Old 07-09-2004, 03:11 AM   #19
 
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A G3 bullpup would be to kill for. Or at least a kit. I don't see much wrong w/ the FAMAS. HK type op system for reliability, and a 1300 rpm rof. Wicked ehh!!!!!! A 20" bbl Aug is prob'ly 'round 30".
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Old 08-19-2007, 06:45 PM   #20
 
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Bullpup

Gentlemen:
Just to put my two cents worth. I believe Malaysia also issued the Steyr. Here in the Philippines, in the 80' it was issued to the Presidential Security Group (PSG), the PI's secret service equivalent.

The M14 I read somewhere was converted by the Israel Military to bullpup configuration. There's an old bullpup showing promise somewhere, it's the FN P90. It's being issued to Police Special Forces here. I use a steyr airsoft in our airsoft wargames here. It's a 1:1 scale. I like it's compactness as against the M4 toys my friends tote. If only I can get the real thing.

As with the toy, can you shoot the bullpup one handed?

Thank you for giving me this chance to put my two cents worth.
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