Sleuth

The biggest problem with the P90 is the round. I liked the gun until I found that the round has the ballistics of the .22 WRM. I would not carry a .22WRM for personal defense, why would I carry a modernistic rfile with the same ballistics? (It does rate high on the CDI scale - Chicks Dig It.

The AP round does slice through armor, but I have seen NO comments on it's efectiveness on people. I will refer everyone to the complaints from the sandbox on our M855 AP round failing to stop BG.

I own and like the AUG. Now, if they would make a .30 cal AUG....

Rockwolf66

for urban operations would a 6.8X43mm SPC AUG do?

I have handled an AUG and liked the feel of it but i am more of a traditionalist when it comes to rifles.

AUGman

Hi

Havn't been here for ages.

I own an AUG and i'll say it's one of the best assault rifles around! Mine is a factory rebuilt AUG-A1, said to be ex Aussie army (they have some kind of replacement program with Steyr), new stock, new barrel, old reciever. I had it for 15 years now and only put about 1000 round through it. I have a HK style tactical sling on it. I recently accuired a bayonet for it, a M9 replica (M9 Phrobis CUK). The AUG looks wicked with it attached. I have to get more mags for it though, two isn't enough.......

AUGman

V-Man

The only experience I have is with the old Mossberg bullpup shotgun. I loved it. I did modify it though. I removed the front vertical handgrip and built new sights for it. The original sights were worthless. I carried it in my squad car for a few years. It always got good comments when it came out. Some real classics from the bad guys who didn't quite know what was pointed at them, but it looked like it would hurt them real bad. I eventually sold it to another officer. I wish I still had it. I would buy another one without hesitation. The trigger did suck, but I've rarely seen a good trigger on any duty shotgun.

Rapier

Doesn't the MSAR clone come in a 6.8 SPC conversion as well?

I myself am not sold on the 6.5/6.8 as a replacement for the old 5.56 yet, but that's a discussion for another thread.

Skeptic49

http://www.msarinc.com/stg556_sporting.html

I've seen this one in a local gunshop, http://www.shooting-proshop.com

I didn't look it over $2000 is a bit much on my allowance.

Geoff
Who only spent $6000 on his car!

Oddbod

I have to disagree with the premise that the SA80 is a bad rifle.
Whilst this WAS the case when it was initially deployed, the HK modifications in the A2 greatly increased its reliability & the mean rounds between failures now surpasses that of any M16/M4 type. Its inherent accuracy is also well documented.
Having shot with the L85A2 & the FN FS2000, I agree that the balance is odd on first use but this feeling soon disappears with familiarity & doesn't affect accuracy or speed of deployment. In fact, to me they feel faster & easier to place on target.
Being left handed, the greatest problem is the inability to shoot from the left shoulder & this has been addressed by FN with the forward eject on the FS2000.
I'm due to shoot the MSAR 556 side by side with the FS2000 in May & it will be interesting to compare them.

Mind you, I still prefer the FAL

Pvt. Joker

I'm late to the party here, but you guys are missing a bullpup- the Russian Dragunov SVU is another sniper variant of the bullpup design... in all it's 7.62x54R goodness!