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Old 01-07-2011, 04:46 PM   #1
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22 at distance

The other day, I got it into my head that I wanted to shoot my 22 rifles at longer than normal distance. The one is an Anschutz 1415-1416 with a 6 power Leupold. With ammunition it likes, it is close to an MOA shooter at 100 yards for 5 shots. It's best was an honest 1/2" while it's worst was closer to 4", that with Thunderbolt. The other rifle is a Remington 513-T that has been severely neglected. As one example, I had problems adjusting the sights to zero at 100. I mean REAL difficulty as the sight was rusted in place. With it , I can scare the bejeezus out of clay pigeons at 100 and quite often break more than a few in the process. I had bought several boxes of PMC Zapper for a buck a box at the bargain table of my favorite gun shop, (Riley's in Hooksett NH) and having heard that it was pretty good stuff, decide to use it up in a fun day at the range. It was close to 40 degrees and the sun was out with a breeze that would send cigarette smoke at less than horizontal. I established zero with both rifles at 50 yards and proceeded to shoot MOA groups with both rifles. Now at 60 years old, I more or less wasn't especially surprised with the Anschutz but with the Remington? I decided to try at 100 and 10 shot groups. The breeze has picked up just a tad but I'm getting 11/2"-2" groups with both rifles!!!! Well what could I do? I've got 17 rounds left so I may as well try them out at 200 yards. I shot a 4" 10 round group with the Anschutz and a 31/2" seven round group with the Remington.
Now I know I had a pretty good day and that others can blow the doors off of those groups but I am looking for more PMC Zapper.
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Old 01-07-2011, 05:49 PM   #2
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Re: 22 at distance

NRA smallbore prone matches routinely shoot at 100 yd. and perfect scores are common. I can't remember the dimension of the 10 ring but I'm sure it was well under an inch.

I do remember that when I went from 50 to 100 it was 15-20 clicks up. I bet it will be a bunch more to go to 200...
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Old 01-07-2011, 06:28 PM   #3
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Re: 22 at distance

I figured it was going to be a lot so I taped a 4" square of buff colored paper to the head of a B-27 silhouette for an aiming point and all the shots were near the bottom. Figure a couple of feet anyway.
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Re: 22 at distance

With a 50-yard zero, .22 drop at 100 will be 6 to 7 inches, depending on various factors, one of which is sight height above bore.

With a 100-yard zero, .22 rise will be 3 to 3.5 inches at 50, again depending on factors of various sorts.

To hit leaves and pebbles at my club's 125 yard backstop with a scoped .22 rifle sighted for 50 yards, putting the desired target right where the duplex reticle gets fat will usually make it jump. I have a vague recollection of shooting at actual paper at 125 with a scoped .22 zeroed for 100 and IIRC the POI was something like 8 inches low.

.22 long-range sniping is fun when there's no wind. In the breeze, not so much.
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Re: 22 at distance

Steve, I have 2, 513-T's that are absolute tack-drivers. Nice Military surplus rifles.
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Old 07-30-2011, 07:36 AM   #6
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Long dead thread but.....waaaay back when my older son wanted to try to shoot at a B27 someone had left at 200 yds. After due consideration, I suggested he hold at the base of the neck, favoring whatever side the minimal wind was coming from. The rifle was zero'd at 50 yards.

Son of a gun, he had a really nice group (mostly-it's been decades) in the ten ring.

Yesterday, it was 22 clicks from 50 to 100 with Remington target ammo.


I've been looking for a target I fired maybe 40 years ago with a Stevens Walnut Hill at 200 yards. 3 shots in less than an inch. One of the witnesses asked if I was going to shoot the other two shots. NO!

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Old 08-05-2011, 10:34 AM   #7
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With the 10-22T and Federal AM22, 50 yd to 100 yard was 18 clicks. Same zero at 150 was 12 3/4 low. I'm still trying to figure out what the 200 yard drop is. The targets I have on hand are smaller than the B27.
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How does velocity change trajectory when comparing Fed/Remington bulk to cci's hyper velocity round at distance? Say from 100 to 250 yards?
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Old 08-06-2011, 03:41 PM   #9
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In general, higher velocity means a flatter trajectory/less drop. However, a lighter bullet changes things because lighter bullets do not retain velocity as well as heavier bullets of the same shape.

Most HV .22lr claims to have around 1235 fps velocity at the muzzle and around 992-998 fps @100 yards. CCI Stinger starts out at 1640 fps, and is down to 1066 fps @ 100 yards. The difference between the two loads noted is only about 1 inch at 100 yards when both loads are sighted in at 75 yards. I'd expect the Stinger to show much more drop after 100 yards than the more typical loads since it's bullet is 20% lighter than the more typical HV load with a 40 gr bullet.

Edit: there being nothing worth watching on TV last night, I did some research. While the initially heavier, slower bullet will at some point catch up and pass the lighter bullet in velocity, I don't believe it can overcome the initial drop advantage of the faster bullet. This may not amount to much though. IIRC, I saw something in someone's factory ballistic tables about the drop from a 100 zero being on the order of 32 inches.

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OK, due to a lack of practice in position shooting and a lack of a bench, the 200 yard drop from a 100 yard zero for Federal AM22 was 26-29 inches shooting the wobble. Group size ran from 1-1.5 MOA.

I expect the 32 inch drop noted in the previous post may have been for subsonic ammo, although given the difference in 100 yard zero for Remington Target (1150 fps nominal), it might have been for standard velocity.

Eley's velocity quotes for subsonic ammo shows a marked lack of velocity loss to 100 yards. They didn't provide drop tables.
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