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Old 07-23-2020, 06:21 AM   #1
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Johnson Auto chambered in .257 Roberts

I picked up this rifle from my mother but doesnt have the bolt. Any ideas or suggestion where i should look??
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Old 07-23-2020, 06:46 AM   #2
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Not sure what exact rifle you are talking about more info would help. I bought Johnson semi-auto rifle parts from SARCO many moons ago.
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Old 07-25-2020, 04:42 PM   #3
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No idea who has Johnson parts these days. But any bolt for the Johnson 1941 Rifle or Light Machine Gun will work. Find a collectors forum for Johnson rifles (not sure if there is one), and those guys will send you in the right direction.
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I always heard that the Johnson only came in .30-06??

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I found this. I wonder if this is what the OP is talking about?
https://www.gunsamerica.com/91377419...MARKED-194.htm
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Old 07-27-2020, 09:37 AM   #6
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I always heard that the Johnson only came in .30-06??

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After the small sale to the Marines, Johnson kinda ran out of customers. So following the war, there were a lot of incomplete 1941 rifles sitting around his shop so he turned to the civilian market. He made a "sporting" version of the 1941 rifle that was available in several different cartridges. I recall .30-06, 270, 7mm & 8mm Mauser; never seen or heard of a .257 for the 1941.



It's also news to me that Johnson did bolt action rifles...now that makes sense for a .257 since the .257 has a different recoil impulse and would likely require some tweaking of the 1941 action to make it work right.

If the OP's rifle is a bolt action, I'd recommend posting a photo so we can steer him in the right direction.
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I don't think we are going to hear from the OP again.
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Old 07-30-2020, 06:30 PM   #8
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I can add pics if it helps, my gunsmith says it uses a K98 mauser large ring.
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Old 07-30-2020, 06:45 PM   #9
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Hopefully these shed some light...
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Now we're getting somewhere. A K98 bolt shouldn't be too difficult to find. You'll probably want to have that gunsmith fit it, though.
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An old friend (the late Dick McWright) of my dad's from when he was USAAC said that Johnson sold FAR more rifles to the OSS than the USMC ever received. - I wonder what happened to those rifles/LMG after the WWII era??

ADDENDA: When I was HS & undergrad college age, I had a HUGE/heavy WOLLENSAK reel-to-reel tape recorder that I hauled around & requested WWI vets to talk to me about their 1st person experiences about being a DOUGHBOY.
(TOO BAD that I wasn't SMART ENOUGH way back then to interview/tape-record my dad's WWII friends about their service in War II. - Fwiw, in 1963, when I started interviewing Doughboys, ALL 5 of my dad's B-17 crew, who had survived the War, were still alive. - By the time that I graduated from college in 1969, ALL of them were "promoted to Glory".)

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I'm sitting here in my little cottage REREADING some of the old posts & just cannot resist telling you a DOUGHBOY story that I "collected" in the Summer of 1964 with the former PFC Roger N. Harbor, who left the family farm in Naples Texas, enlisted in the Texas Guard & went to France to help end "The War to End All Wars", FOREVER.
(According to the best information that I can find of the WWI era, a LARGE percentage of Americans actually believed that IF/WHEN the Germans & their allies were beaten, that NO war would ever occur, forevermore.- A large percent of WWI GIs were TRULY DISAPPOINTED when wars did not cease for all time, after The Armistice was signed.)

PFC Harbor celebrated his 17th birthday after he enlisted & was one of the youngest Doughboys who actually deployed to France, when he was 17 years & just over 5 months old, with a the 2-143rd Infantry (Texas ARNG) Brigade.

This story that he told me (with considerable embarrassment) is about his 24 hour leave to visit Paris. - After spending most of the daylight hours hitchhiking, walking & "hopping a train", Private Harbor arrived in the center of Paris about 10PM, tired hungry & looking for a "good time". - After walking around the streets, looking for a English-speaking person without success, about Midnight he was hailed by a French man who said, "HI American, are you looking for something here in Paris."

Roger told the man that he had only about 12 hours until his leave was up & wanted to find a place to eat & stay the night.

The Frenchman told him to walk 4 blocks up the street, turn left & knock on the "green door near the next corner & "- - ask for Madame FiFi. She will take care of all your needs."

Arriving at the "green door" & knocking, he was admitted to the house by an older lady, who said that she was Madame Fifi & what would he like.
- Soon, the lady led him up the stairs into a small but well-decorated bedroom & left after telling Private Harbor that another lady would soon come to him.

He said that he told the lady that he was tired, hungry, thirsty & that he wanted to stay all night.
A few minutes later, "a REAL pretty young girl, that looked a little older than me & who was in a nightdress", let herself into the room & asked me what I wanted.
I told her that I was thirsty, starved & I would like you to find me something to eat.

She told me that she would be back soon & left.- In only a few minutes, the woman returned with a thick sandwich & a glass of milk.

After he had eaten the sandwich & drunk his milk, the young woman turned down the bedcovers, sat down on the bed, adjusted her nightdress & asked, "So soldier, What shall we do now?"

Roger said that he just wanted to sleep, so she kissed me on the cheek, tucked me into bed, turned down the lights & left me alone.

The next morning, PFC Harbor awakened, caught a truck headed back to The Front & went back to his company. - That was his "Leave in Paris".

Mr. Harbor told me that it was "quite a bit later" that I learned that I had spent the whole night in a Paris Bawdy House & got nothing but food, drink & a soft bed to sleep in.
He said, "Texas farm boys were very innocent in those long ago days, much more so than young people like you are today."

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