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Old 01-08-2019, 05:58 PM   #1
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Bolt Action, Mauser Claw, 45-70 Government?

Did Ruger manufacture an Alaskan Model 45-70 Controlled round feed?
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Old 01-09-2019, 07:11 PM   #2
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Does anyone have a lead on a current production Controlled round feed bolt action 45-70?
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Old 01-10-2019, 07:31 PM   #3
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So why am I asking about a controlled round feed bolt action carbine?

It's an Outfitting question. I've been granted an open ended invitation from a First Nation Friend that recently became aware of current conditions. I've got KOA Cutlery that will handle most any skinning/cleaning chores. I've also got an Abilene .44 Mag Single Action or Dan Wesson .44 Mag Revolver. But the cupboard is bare when it comes to a Short Barreled Controlled Round Feed Bolt Action Rifle. Decades ago when only hunting hooved game Remington's Model 7 in .308 Winchester was quite capable. But larger clawed game many be on the future agenda, and the 45-70 should be adequate out to 200 yards.

Outfitting queries:

(would you select the Buck Skinner/Pathfinder or Koa Wolverine/Ax, or do Y'all have another recommendation?)

(would your select either the Single Action .44 Mag, the Double Action .44 Mag Dan Wesson, or would you purchase a New .44 Mag S&W L-frame .44 Mag Revolver for backup?)

So as I've mentioned, the cupboard is bare in regards to a primary Bolt Action Carbine that is capable of dealing with White or Brown clawed critters. (I own a couple of .300 Win Mag 26 inch push feed Bolt Actions, and a few push feed 26 inch or longer rifles, but with advancing age they don't seem to be very enjoyable to hump across the tundra.) I'd really like to purchase a much more economical production rifle, as I don't believe that I've enough Hunt's of this nature left to justify the expense of a full custom rifle.

What say Y'all?

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M118LR,

Fyi, I know of NO "controlled feed" receivers that are currently made that work for the .45-70 Government caliber.

IF I wanted such a rifle, I would find a SIAMESE MAUSER barreled receiver in 8x50mm Rimmed & convert it to .45-70. - The I would buy a suitable stock of my choosing for the barreled action.

Jessie at JES has done any number of conversions of the Siamese military action to .45-70.

just my opinion, sw
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As to handguns, I'd go with a S&W revolver in 41 or 44 maganum. If you lean toward the 1911 pistol you have the 10mm from both Colt and Remington or a drop-in barrel in .45ACP Magnum could work. While I love SAA revolvers, I think I'd rather have a DA if a brownine had me on its menu.
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Why don't you look for a Marlin in 45-70? It would seem to meet your needs.
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Why don't you look for a Marlin in 45-70? It would seem to meet your needs.
Back in the days when I could hit exactly what I aimed at with iron sights, I did use Marlin Lever Actions. But nowadays 50 yards is the limit that I trust iron sights to match my skill with a rifle. (ie my scores on paper with a scope or iron sights are almost equal) While I can still hold minute of paper plate offhand with a scoped carbine/rifle at 200 yards, I'm lucky to keep 4 out of ten on that same paper plate at even 100 yards with iron sights nowadays. So 200 yards with iron sights isn't even a consideration while hunting.

I'm kind of Old and stiff nowadays, so attempting the contortions required to gain a repetitive cheek weld on the deep drop of a lever action comb, with the added height of rings and glass just isn't going to work. Guess I could get some Frankenstein looking butt stock that would allow a proper cheek weld with a scope mounted on a Marlin Lever Action? But any Montecarlo stocked bolt action easily affords me a consistent cheek weld with minimum effort.

I'd even consider an AR Platform (I don't score as well while utilizing a pistol grip) but I don't believe that I've ever even come across the mention of a 45-70 AR.???

Out on the Tundra it's imperative that I understand and work within the limits that Time & Tide have encrusted upon me. My hunting partners and the game I'm stalking deserve the most competent performance I can achieve.

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bearcat6, I'm with you and the Marlin lever gun. It's a side ejection rifle unlike the top ejecting Winchester. This allows for mounting the scope low and on the centerline of the gun. The drop of the stock can be fixed with either a check pad or custom stock.

Phoenix Weaponry Produces .45-70 Government AR with zero drop on the comb.

https://www.recoilweb.com/phoenix-we...ar-132226.html
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What about a 458 Win Mag? Comes in bolt guns, more poop than a 45-70.
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bearcat6,

Fwiw, the .458MAG can be loaded down with a GCCB to easily equal any load that works safely in anything from a Trapdoor Springfield to the Big-bore Marlin LA or even the Siamese Mauser.
(I have a friend from out near Bandera, who won a Winchester Safari Grade BA in a card game & shoots everything bigger than rabbits with it successfully.)

NO game animal now living on Earth is too tough for the .458.

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A miss is a miss regardless of how powerful the cartridge.

Brown,Black, and White Bears have all fallen to the diminutive 30-30 at close range.
The 220 grain 30-06 produces about 2.8K energy, the 300 grain 45-70 about 3K energy, the 265 grain 300 Win Mag about 4K energy, the 250 grain 388 Win Mag about 4K, and the 300 grain 338 Win Mag about 3.5 K, just how much recoil are you comfortable with in an 8lb rifle? If your first shot isn't a stop, your follow up shot has to be even more precise.
Energy levels at 3K have proven to be effective out to 200 yards with proper shot placement. I'm not interested in dragging a 36 lb 50 BMG across the Tundra. Sometimes more than enough is just that, more than enough.

So 300-500 grain .45 cal projectiles at about 3K of energy are more than enough to get my attention in a lightweight carbine. Not to mention that I'm a bit more comfortable with the 45-70 close up, than I am with the 30-06. They both would probably work, but the pucker factor on my sphincter might be a bit lower with the 45-70-500.
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M118LR,

IF it was me who was seeking a BEAR RIFLE, I would buy a Remington Model 760 or 760 pump-rifle with a poor bore & send it off to Jessie at JES & have him rebore/rechamber the rifle into a 9.3x62MM, the .375 Whelen OR into the VERY powerful .400 Brown-Whelen Improved.
Further, IF you prefer bolt-actions, Winchester, Savage, Remington & several other makers have "reasonably-priced"/easily found used BA rifles in .270WCF or .30-06 that make GREAT & perfectly suitable DANGEROUS GAME RIFLES for less than 400.oo complete.
(Jessie has already reformatted me a 9.3x62mm on a Model 760, that was a low-priced "garage sale buy" with a pitted barrel. - That rifle is the rifle that I will take to Africa next year for Cape Buffalo & hopefully a leopard.)

ANY of those 3 calibers are ENOUGH GUN for ANY creature which is now living on Planet Earth, out to well beyond 200M.

just my OPINION, sw

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It's always a good thing to check the Local Regulations before outfitting for an overseas hunt. Africa has some rather specific rules regarding rifles & calibers for Big Game Hunting. Alaska, on the other hand, is pretty lenient.
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It's always a good thing to check the Local Regulations before outfitting for an overseas hunt. Africa has some rather specific rules regarding rifles & calibers for Big Game Hunting. Alaska, on the other hand, is pretty lenient.
Alaska is OCONUS?
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csmkersh,

Unless "things" at DoD have changed since you/I were on AD, AK was considered to be an OCONUS assignment though it is certainly in the Western Hemisphere & a State of the USA.

Further, certain "duty stations" in AK were considered to be "hardship" assignments.

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You're 100% correct. I checked and both Alaska and Hawaii are OCONUS according to DoD.

Guess I owe M118LR an apology.

As to hardship assignments, Dad sent us a weather report when he was stationed there in 1959. "Warmer tomorrow; 60 below zero."

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My old boarding school chum, Mack R_________, who has since 1970 been a "home missionary" in North Star, AK lives/pastors a large church & school in a town where his trucks have to be in a HEATED garage as otherwise the GASOLINE & DIESEL fuel will freeze solid, about 10 months of the year.

Mack & Donna have raised 3 daughters & 2 sons "way up yonder" & have often, since I retired, asked me to come for an extended visit to help with his various mission projects.
He also told me that, "Living in Northern Alaska is exciting".

When I asked him, "What is so exciting about living/pastoring a church in North Star", Mack responded, "Just staying alive."

So far & for the foreseeable future, I've "resisted the temptation" (though i've resisted few other temptations - LOL.) to go to visit them for 6 month or more of MANUAL LABOR. = CHUCKLE.

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If you were there other than dark winter and didn't mind packing a large caliber handgun as well as a rifle, I think you'd enjoy it. The handgun is for when you're working and the rifle is sitting to the side and out of reach. Seems to be common practice other than in town.

Is North Star the manmade island north Prudhoe or the small town on Cook Inlet and North of Homer, Alaska? I suspect it's the latter.
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I didn't know that there were TWO places called North Star. - The church/school/mission is North of Homer, AK.

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csmkersh; All,

Btw, Mack is the Baptist home missionary that I've mentioned elsewhere, who HAD to shoot/kill a hungry female Polar Bear INSIDE the church's Christian Life Center, when the bear "crashed" a baby shower & scared most of the women to death.
(Mack's eldest daughter, who is AK born & raised & said, "Daddy, you really shouldn't have shot the bear. She just wanted to attend the shower.")

One 286 grain JHP 9.3x62mm round through her lungs ended the incident, without any humans being injured/killed. - The bear was dressed/skinned out & numerous members of the church took home fresh meat that night.
(Mack's "pet rifle" is a Husqvarna BA Model 1600.)

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