bolt action 45-70 govt

M118LR · 01-18-2019, 06:18 PM

No disrespect intended. Didn't mean to cross any lines SpecialEd. I did redirect back to the 45-70.

The History of the 45-70, the Springfield Trapdoor, and the American Wild West are all intertwined. Opinions on tangents vary dependent on perspective?

But the 45-70 holds a unique place in Americana, and American Military Heritage. That's why I'm in search of a 45-70 Bolt Action Carbine.

DavidE · 01-18-2019, 07:12 PM

This is one bolt action .45-70 I could find out there. It is quite an old design. The narrator says that a carbine version was made for civilian sales.

I am kind of surprised that no major manufacturer has made any .45-70 bolt action rifles lately, though. It seems like a real niche there for the taking.

DavidE · 01-18-2019, 07:14 PM

Found another one, if you could run one down. In fact, this is just about button on with what you were talking about. Happy hunting, this should fit your bill to a "T."

Sport Speciality

bearcat6 · 01-20-2019, 04:40 PM

How about this?
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M118LR · 01-24-2019, 08:49 PM

Thank You Gentleman.

But I find myself in the predicament of not being able to purchase a current production rifle in the action of my choice, based on the caliber of American History! That I have chosen.

Is it my failing?

I am willing to spend what it takes to purchase such a Modern firearm?
ALBEIT, is it a failing of OUR modern firearms manufacturers to offer a specific rifle action, in the caliber of my choice, that is ingrained into the History of Americana. But am I as the consumer "WRONG" to ask for such a product?

M118LR · 02-05-2019, 08:07 PM

So after much hand wringing, it's far easier to find Marlin Lever Action 45-70's both new & used. (it's easier to get a custom stock than a 45-70 bolt action)So what's your opinion of the odds of keeping 10 shots on a 10 inch paper plate at 200 yards while standing with a Scoped 45-70 Marlin Lever Action?

(I can manage 10 on 10 inches standing at 200 with a Scoped Mini-30 Tactical more often than not)

But the trigger, length, mechanical difference of action, and weight of a Marlin .45-70 are all factors that induce greater error on my shoulder. Is the desire to field a 45-70 worth taking the chance of a possible errant shot on actual game at 200 yards?

Should I purchase a Model 70 Winchester bolt action in say 30-06 or just rebarrel one of my bolt action .300 Win Mag Remington's?

(with an 18 inch barrel and the extra precision of a hand tailored bolt action 10 on 10 inches standing at 200 with a scoped bolt action carbine should perform near or better than a scoped 16 inch Mini-30. JMHO.)

csmkersh · 02-06-2019, 06:14 AM

If you already have more than one bolt action .300 Win Mag Remingtons I think it would be better in the long run to have your favorite smith re-barrel it to .45-70 and be done with it.

M118LR · 02-06-2019, 05:51 PM

There is allot in what you say csmkersh, but my Remington's are all push bolts. Still would lack the controlled round feed of the Mauser action.

csmkersh · 02-07-2019, 04:05 AM

You wrote:

Quote:

Should I purchase a Model 70 Winchester bolt action in say 30-06 or just rebarrel one of my bolt action .300 Win Mag Remington's?

It would be nice if you would read your own damned posts.

M118LR · 02-11-2019, 07:44 PM

Option "A" would be a controlled round feed bolt action .45-70.

But option "A" is proving to be more difficult than expected.

Would your second option be a Marlin Lever? Or would you choose to rebarrel a Remington Bolt Action and give up on the controlled round feed?

Easier to follow?

Doughboy · 02-11-2019, 08:03 PM

M118LR,

A Siamese Mauser action from a gun show (I've recently seen several such HOWA-made actions for CHEAP in the TX shows.) is STRONG as an Arisaka & EASY to convert to a big rimmed action like the .45-70 & it IS already "controlled feed".

IF it was me, I'd find one & have SHILEN in Ennis, TX make a barrel & the stock it to please oneself. = A Siamese Mauser converted to 9.3x74R would be "a HOSS".

yours, sw

csmkersh · 02-12-2019, 05:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M118LR

Easier to follow?

You should have be clear in the first place rather than being snotty now.

M118LR · 02-12-2019, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by csmkersh

You should have be clear in the first place rather than being snotty now.

Sometimes what I think I typed isn't what others perceive when they read it. Not trying to be snotty.

What does a man do standing, that a woman can do sitting down, that a male dog does on three legs?

Can we shake hands?

csmkersh · 02-13-2019, 05:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M118LR

:

Can we shake hands?

No, distance prevents that, but we can agree we're not enemies, Chief.

M118LR · 02-13-2019, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by csmkersh

No, distance prevents that, but we can agree we're not enemies, Chief.

I can certainly agree to that.

Why I'd go so far as to say most of the folks on this forum are considered penpals.

Command Sergeant Major, you do realize that you are plagiarizing. Navy "CHIEF" should be Chief Warrant Officer instead of "Chief" as warranted in the GOAT LOCKER for the E7-E8-E9. (Those folks honestly earn thier acronyms.) I was just awarded by OUR politicians the title of "Chief" anything.

01-18-2019, 06:18 PM	#41
M118LR Banned Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: 29.62 N 81.219 W Posts: 538	No disrespect intended. Didn't mean to cross any lines SpecialEd. I did redirect back to the 45-70. The History of the 45-70, the Springfield Trapdoor, and the American Wild West are all intertwined. Opinions on tangents vary dependent on perspective? But the 45-70 holds a unique place in Americana, and American Military Heritage. That's why I'm in search of a 45-70 Bolt Action Carbine. Last edited by M118LR; 01-18-2019 at 06:41 PM.

01-18-2019, 07:14 PM	#43
DavidE Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,190	Found another one, if you could run one down. In fact, this is just about button on with what you were talking about. Happy hunting, this should fit your bill to a "T." Sport Speciality Last edited by DavidE; 01-18-2019 at 07:17 PM. Reason: Tailoring response more to the original poster's question.

02-11-2019, 08:03 PM	#51
Doughboy Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 534	M118LR, A Siamese Mauser action from a gun show (I've recently seen several such HOWA-made actions for CHEAP in the TX shows.) is STRONG as an Arisaka & EASY to convert to a big rimmed action like the .45-70 & it IS already "controlled feed". IF it was me, I'd find one & have SHILEN in Ennis, TX make a barrel & the stock it to please oneself. = A Siamese Mauser converted to 9.3x74R would be "a HOSS". yours, sw Last edited by Doughboy; 02-11-2019 at 08:05 PM.

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01-18-2019, 07:12 PM	#42
DavidE Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,190	This is one bolt action .45-70 I could find out there. It is quite an old design. The narrator says that a carbine version was made for civilian sales. I am kind of surprised that no major manufacturer has made any .45-70 bolt action rifles lately, though. It seems like a real niche there for the taking.

01-20-2019, 04:40 PM	#44
bearcat6 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,977	How about this? Review: Ruger 450 Bushmaster Alaskan Scout Rifle \| Down Range TV

01-24-2019, 08:49 PM	#45
M118LR Banned Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: 29.62 N 81.219 W Posts: 538	Thank You Gentleman. But I find myself in the predicament of not being able to purchase a current production rifle in the action of my choice, based on the caliber of American History! That I have chosen. Is it my failing? I am willing to spend what it takes to purchase such a Modern firearm? ALBEIT, is it a failing of OUR modern firearms manufacturers to offer a specific rifle action, in the caliber of my choice, that is ingrained into the History of Americana. But am I as the consumer "WRONG" to ask for such a product?

02-05-2019, 08:07 PM	#46
M118LR Banned Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: 29.62 N 81.219 W Posts: 538	So after much hand wringing, it's far easier to find Marlin Lever Action 45-70's both new & used. (it's easier to get a custom stock than a 45-70 bolt action)So what's your opinion of the odds of keeping 10 shots on a 10 inch paper plate at 200 yards while standing with a Scoped 45-70 Marlin Lever Action? (I can manage 10 on 10 inches standing at 200 with a Scoped Mini-30 Tactical more often than not) But the trigger, length, mechanical difference of action, and weight of a Marlin .45-70 are all factors that induce greater error on my shoulder. Is the desire to field a 45-70 worth taking the chance of a possible errant shot on actual game at 200 yards? Should I purchase a Model 70 Winchester bolt action in say 30-06 or just rebarrel one of my bolt action .300 Win Mag Remington's? (with an 18 inch barrel and the extra precision of a hand tailored bolt action 10 on 10 inches standing at 200 with a scoped bolt action carbine should perform near or better than a scoped 16 inch Mini-30. JMHO.)

02-06-2019, 06:14 AM	#47
csmkersh Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 10,764	If you already have more than one bolt action .300 Win Mag Remingtons I think it would be better in the long run to have your favorite smith re-barrel it to .45-70 and be done with it.

02-06-2019, 05:51 PM	#48
M118LR Banned Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: 29.62 N 81.219 W Posts: 538	There is allot in what you say csmkersh, but my Remington's are all push bolts. Still would lack the controlled round feed of the Mauser action.

02-11-2019, 07:44 PM	#50
M118LR Banned Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: 29.62 N 81.219 W Posts: 538	Option "A" would be a controlled round feed bolt action .45-70. But option "A" is proving to be more difficult than expected. Would your second option be a Marlin Lever? Or would you choose to rebarrel a Remington Bolt Action and give up on the controlled round feed? Easier to follow?