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Old 01-11-2008, 05:27 PM   #1
 
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What's the general opinion on BSA Optics?

I have one of their pistol scopes on my Mosin Nagant. It seems nice and clear, but my zero wanders, and I'm wondering if I bought a good product. At the time, it was my only option, or I'd have gone for something a bit nicer.
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They're okay for .22s, but I don't think I'd trust one on anything heavier kicking.
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Thanks, Snake. I'll look into replacing it with something better.
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Old 01-11-2008, 06:34 PM   #4
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They're made in China (like most scopes these days), to specs by the lowest bidder. Some are better than others.

I've actually had pretty good luck with these cheap Chinese optics. Today's cheap scopes seem to be much better than the cheap scopes of, say, the '70s or the '80s.
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I agree, the Chinese scopes seem to be better than the cheap Jap scopes of the 60s/70s.

A guy was just over here and he had an AR with a BSA Red Dot and it had a nice small red dot I really liked. Other than a visual sighting aid I can't say beyond the fact I am looking at a couple on ebay. I think I will spring for one and give it a run on the 7615.

It is time I got back to that testing.
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Old 01-12-2008, 10:54 AM   #6
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BSA makes a red dot that Walmart sells for about $30. Been using one for a couple years on my DPMS .22 AR, and it seems easily rugged enough to stand up to a 5.56, maybe stuff even stronger than that. It ain't an EOTech but it doesn't cost like one, either. I lke it for the money.
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How are Bushnell's current scopes?

Swift's?

Simmons'?

Nikon's?

In case you can't tell, I'm looking for something that will do the job without breaking the bank. It has to stand up to long-term use and hold a zero through a lot of shooting.

I want fixed-power, either 2.5 or 4x, and I've discovered that receiver-mounted scopes work better for me. I'm cross-dominant, so the long-eye relief scope's virtue of allowing both-eyes-open aiming is, for me, superfluous. When I try that, it just scrambles my vision, as my strong, left eye looks past the scope, and my weak, right eye tries to follow it by looking through it. I get a double image that makes it difficult to focus on the reticle.

I know that the ultimate in durability, zero maintenance, and long-term service can only be had from companies like Zeiss, or at the very least, Leupold, but I just don't own a rifle that warrants that kind of expenditure for an aiming device.

I definitely intend to pick up one of those new Winchester Model 70s, some distant, far away day. It will most likely be in some sort of .257 or .358, depending on which part of the country the wife and I end up moving to. However, that day is, I reiterate, distant and far away, (at least five years, by my lowest estimate) and until such a time as that, I don't see the need for a scope that costs as much as most rifles.

I just want a good, solid workhorse to mount on a .30-06 Remington 700, or a Savage in the same caliber, or if they're as good as my hunting buddies have been saying, maybe even one of those new Mossbergs, since the local Wally World has them for $250.00 a piece. Stock's ugly, but so are all synthetics, and it's not like that can't be fixed, anyway.
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Old 01-13-2008, 03:06 AM   #8
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Check out Sightron. They are unconditionally guaranteed and have pretty good optics.

There is a mil-dot version that sells for $120 at a store here.

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I have had universally good luck with Bushnell and Nikon, a bad Simmons that they replaced promptly and no experience with Swift.
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  • I got turned off of Bushnell when their air rifle scopes wouldn't hold up. I switched to BSA. So-so. I've a BSA on my Remington 700 VSF .22-250. Should have spent more money on the scope. My current experience with Simmons is with the .22 scopes and I really like the 22 MAG series. I've one low-end Nikon and it's okay. I've also one low-end Leupold, the Vari-X I; it's also okay. I've got a bunch of Vari-X II and like them. Only one Vari-X III and it's on my Winnie M70 .270 WSM.

    Maybe I aught to move that to the remy .22-250 and put a Vari-X II on the Winchester.
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Chub, what's your budget? I'm a big fan of the Weaver fixed 2.5s and 4 power scopes. Natchez usually has the best prices on the Weavers.

http://www.natchezss.com/category.cfm?c ... D=SN849421
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And if you think the American-made scopes of yesteryear were better than the same-branded Chinese products of today, don't forget that just about anything you want is available on eBay. There's a couple vintage scopes I'm looking for at the moment. None of those I'm seeking have gone for bargain-basement prices, but they seem to trade in the same range that I've seen the same thing priced at at gun shows.
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Al, I'd say that $150 is the top end I'd like to spend. I figure that's just enough to get good quality glass without getting into the arena where all of it starts to belong on custom and semi-custom rifles.
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Well, that one in my previous post was 80 bucks...
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Leupold's line of "Rifleman" scopes can be had for under $200 from time to time, and they're about the cheapest I personally would consider putting on a centerfire rifle. (Just looked - ebay has one, presumably used, at a "buy it now" price of $139.99.)

Burris and Weaver are generally decent, as are the "better" models of Bushnell scopes. (Bushnell's product line seems to vary MORE from top to bottom than other makes.)

Based on what I've seen at the range, I would avoid Tasco entirely.
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Old 01-16-2008, 08:07 PM   #16
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The Rifleman scopes are glued together. Not sure what they do when one breaks under warranty.....

Cheap scopes are just that.............. But I've got an old steel tube Weaver I need to get fixed out of sentimentality.

You might check out the prices at bearbasin.com So far, I've bought 2 scopes and a spotting scope from them. They beat the Bass Pro price on the spotting scope by $70.
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Old 01-16-2008, 11:19 PM   #17
 
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"My suggestion" from dealing with many scopes. IF it is a hunting(important) or serious rifle get a leupold(not rifleman). If you cannot afford a new one get a used one(e-bay etc) as it will be good or god forbid it is one of a very few that has troubles they will replace/repair it for free(even if you get it used). I have about 30 leupolds new and used and not a bad one in the bunch.
Next best a Burris or Weaver. Then a simmons or Nikon or better line bushnell. I put the Trashco scopes at the bottom(from personal use and others). BSA and some of the others fall between simmons and trashco. I DO have a aimpoint red dot type that works fine (it is on a 22RF pistol) I have a bushnell Holo-sight to try out.
If it is a 50BMG(or want to spend the money on a very serious scope) the a Nightforce NXS(5.5X22X56 NP-R2) is the cats meow

Just my thoughts---others may differ
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Check out Sightron. They are unconditionally guaranteed and have pretty good optics.

There is a mil-dot version that sells for $120 at a store here.
+1. I bought the 3-9x40 mildot for $110 and mounted it on my FAL. It's the cheapest scope I own, but it's made in Japan and appears to be well built.

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