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Old 01-04-2008, 06:49 AM   #1
 
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Request for Information and Value

At a recent local auction I acquired two Remington rifles. They are marked as a Remington Model 1903 and Model 1903-A3. I know very little other than what I have been able to research on the web about them and would like to ask for expert help.

The Model 1903 looks to be unfired yet the finish is not blued, it is more of a parkerized type finish. The The serial number is 32058** and the barrel is dated 8-42. The barrel has the flaming bomb and the RA stamp. The underside of the barrel has the stamp P. The barrel band is stamped R on the right side. There is an R stamped on the bolt handle and the bolt. The sight is graduated to 2800 yds. The magazine floorplate is flat. It has a straight grip stock that has absolutely no stamps on it. It would appear to me that a replacement stock has been substituted and perhaps the rifle refinished as well. But I'm also confused about the 8/42 build date. Were Model 1903s made in 1942?

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http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x27/ ... ftside.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x27/ ... Barrel.jpg

The second rifle is a Remington Model 1903-A3, Serial #35864**. The barrel is stamped 5/43 with the flaming bomb and RA stamp. The barrel band has the R stamp on the right side and the stamp under the barrel is F. The safety and bolt handle have the R stamp. It has a peep type sight with a cartouche that looks like a sun shining. The magazine plate is not flat and is one piece , ,i.e., the trigger guard bolts through it to the receiver. Again, there are no marks of any kind on the pistol grip stock.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x27/ ... 03-112.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x27/ ... 03-111.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x27/ ... mb5-43.jpg

With any luck I have done the photobucket uploading correctly.

Thank you any and all who respond with guidance.

dmc8163
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Old 01-04-2008, 04:48 PM   #2
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Hi, dmc8163,

A little history, first of all. Yes, M1903s were manufactured from 1941 to early 1943. It started out as a British order and was later taken over by the U.S. The rifles were made on machinery from Rock Island Arsenal and used by Remington. The first rifles looked very similar to very late RIAs. However, as the war got going, shortcuts were made - elimination of the grasping grooves in the stock for one.

In late 1942, the M1903A3 was begun - the major nticeable difference was the rear sight (although there were several others). They were manufactured until early 1944.

On to your rifles.

The first rifle is a Remington M1903. The receiver dates from about September, 1942; the barrel is original. The stock looks like a Remington but may have been sanded or refinished to remove all the markings. The handguard is a replacement. There should be an R stamp on most parts, including the "bow" of the trigger guard, the lower (middle) band, the bolt and the upper band. If there isn't the parts have been replaced at some point.

Regarding the second rifle, you have a Remington M1903A3. The reciever dates to about May 1943 and the barrel is original. The stock is a replacement, called a "Scant". The original stock would have been similar to your M1903. The rifle should have a large number of stamped parts which is normal for the M1903A3, including the upper band, trigger guard, lower band and a few others. The barel and receiver would have been originally Parkerized and the rest of the parts a blue/black color. If some or all of the parts are now Parkerized, they have been replaced.

Unfortunately, it is difficult to tell you too much about your rifle, as the pictures are rather small. Some closeups might help.
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Old 01-05-2008, 07:25 AM   #3
 
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Thank you for your response. That is fascinating. I have always been a WW II buff, firearms instructor/collector (S&W) and all around history nut. When I retired I was fortunate to move next door to no less than a WW II veteran and we have become fast friends. He recalls being issued an Enfield, not an uncommon thing as I understand it.

Looking more closely at the 1909-A3----the upper band is blue w/no R stamp. The barrel, sight and large piece containing the bayonet lug is parkerized (and it does have the R stamp). The lower band is parkerized with no R stamp. The receiver is parkerized but I can find no readily visible R stamp. The bolt has the R stamp and a "42" stamp. The is a "half moon" spacer between the receiver and the upper handguard that is blued. The upper and lower sling swivels are blued and the middle swivel is parkerized. The magazine plate and trigger bow are parkerized with no R stamp.

I now understand why. These parts may or may not have been replaced during or after the war as part of an arsenal refurbishing program? Could it be a CMP rifle? Sorry to bend your "ear' but this stuff enthralls me. If you are at all interested in the S&W Model 1076 and the FBI/S&W debacle perhaps I can return the favor.

Here are some additional photos.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x27/ ... nstock.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x27/ ... htrear.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x27/ ... dsight.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x27/ ... 3sight.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x27/ ... debest.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x27/ ... rright.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x27/ ... erleft.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x27/ ... ePlate.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x27/ ... ivel-1.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x27/ ... Swivel.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x27/ ... erband.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x27/ ... llbest.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x27/ ... tsight.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x27/ ... barrel.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x27/ ... tplate.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x27/ ... utdoor.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x27/ ... utdoor.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x27/ ... ceiver.jpg

I'll address the 1903 in a subsequent post. I'm afraid this one won't go through as it is.

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Old 01-07-2008, 05:15 AM   #4
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MUCH better pictures - Thanks!!

Yes, the parkerized parts are replacements. The blued ones are either original or weren't refinished.
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Old 01-09-2008, 04:11 PM   #5
 
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Rick,

I attended a gun show this weekend and ended up selling both the 03 and 03A3. Next on the list is a much more interesting rifle I think. It is a Remington Eddystone Model 1917 that has a cartouche on the stock for the USAAF or U.S. Army Air Force. The barrel is dated 1-18 and is stamped R. It has the flaming bomb several places and every metal part seems to have E stamped on it including all visible bolt parts. It has a rebuild stamp of AAS in a box on the left side with a larger B next to it. I really have no idea what I have on this one. I have looked on the web and it appears that some Model 1917s can be quite collectible. Here are a few photos.

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http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x27/ ... htside.jpg

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http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x27/ ... erleft.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x27/ ... rright.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x27/ ... number.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x27/ ... touche.jpg

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Thanks! Dave
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Old 01-10-2008, 06:13 AM   #6
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Dave,

Yes, M1917s can be quite collectible. Yours is one manufactured just before or just after the end of WWI. It would have had an Eddystone 10-18, 11-18 or 12-18 barrel. The rifle was rebuilt at least once and maybe more. The AAS is from Augusta Arsenal. The barrel, of course, is a replacement. If the rifle was original, the finished would be blued, although some very late M1917s had a Parkerized finish.

The "USAAF" marking is a mystery. It does not appear on any other M1917s I have ever seen. I'm going to check with a couple of other people and see what they think.

Worth/value would be in the $300-400 range IMHO.
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Old 01-10-2008, 12:02 PM   #7
 
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oh darn. Here I thought the 1-18 barrel was the original barrel and the rifle was manufactured in January 1918 and later underwent an arsenal rebuild. Shoots that theory all to heck.

The reason I mentioned the U.S Army Air Force was because the rifle has a small discolored old hang tag with the following information:

Side 1
U.S. 1917 Enfield
Army Air Service
WW I
U.S. Army Air Force
WW II 1918
30/06

Side 2
#7966
8/7/87
U/S 1917 MRL

Does the hang tag mean anything?

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Old 01-12-2008, 06:36 AM   #8
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The USAAF and the hang tag could mean something -- or again, it could not. The hang tag could be from a previous sale. I didn't get any replies back on the other forum I posted on. Guess it will have to remain a minor mystery.
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Old 01-12-2008, 07:56 AM   #9
 
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I love mysteries. But as a retired investigator I just can't leave it at that. I'll just HAVE to figure this one out. Thahk you for your help! D
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