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Old 12-21-2007, 06:21 PM   #1
 
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I think I want to convert a milsurp into a Scout Rifle

I can't justify spending a whole lot of money on this project, but I'd like to build a scout rifle.

My initial thought was to get a Mosin Nagant M38 to work on. (I already have an M44 that I like well enough). I then got the bright idea to buy a 91/30, and cut the barrel down to about 20". 91/30s are about $50 cheaper than M38s, and since I'll probably have to get the barrel crowned anyway, why not?

Since I've been doing some research, I wonder if I wouldn't be better off with an Enfield, a Mauser clone or a Swiss K31. The Enfields and the Mausers can be found in .308, and I think the Swiss 7.5 might be acceptable.

I don't know anybody with any of these rifles, so a test drive is unlikely.

An argument in favor of the Swiss rifle is that since these never saw combat, it wouldn't be like I was destroying an historical artifact or something. I'd feel the same way about a MN 91/59 as well--the Soviets ruined their historical value and turned them into novelties.

FWIW, I'm left-handed.

I plan on doing as much of the work as I can myself.

I appreciate any input or suggestions.
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Old 12-21-2007, 07:10 PM   #2
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I have a No 5 Jungle Carbine that I got for $75 because it had been Bubba-ed beyond restoration. I put it in an ATI fiberglass stock, instant scout rifle according to Cooper's original definition. It makes weight. It makes length. It has adequate peep sights (little-known fact: forward-mounted scope is optional, not mandatory for SR definition). And it's a "full-power cartridge" (again, strict definition; .308 was recommended due to its wide availability but not the ONLY possible SR cartridge). Haven't actually shot the beast yet but if it performs well, this will become my "car gun."

From your list of candidates, I like the 98 Mauser in .308, if you can find one cheap, or an Enfield .308. All of the latter I've seen have been Mk III patterns, meaning open sights, so you'll prolly want to go to a scout scope on that. Put it in an ATI glass stock, chop and recrown the barrel, and you're there--and cheap, too.

Before starting, research the lowest price you can get on the Savage scout rifle. That's the dollar figure you're looking to beat with your project. (My total cost to date is only $150, including $50 for the stock and $25 for a #2 bolt head, which the gun lacked to start with.)

Here's my "yard sale scout" in its original stock:

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Having shot left handed in conventional highpower since 1973 with a bolt gun I understand the problem.

The Mosin while an extremely reliable system is not fast left handed. Neither is Steyrs. The Mod 31 is fast either way but ammo/brass will be harder to find.

I have four Scouts built. Cheapest way out I have found is to use a NC Star pistol scope. I have mounted two of them and have not found a problem as yet. One has a Leupold and one a B&L pistol scope.

You can make a serviceable Scout for LH from a 1903A3 Springfield. You can get a Scout mount for Rem 700 from Brownells for like twenty bucks. With a little work it can be used on 03 action.

The slickest thing all the way around is get a pre War Mod 70 as they have clip slots. Or get a pre 64 and have a clip slot cut in. I would rebarrel to 308 in either Mod 70 or 03. Should feed fine or you can leave them 30.06 till barrel is shot out. Both these actions are good for a couple dozen barrels or more. The slickest is the MOd 70 for rapid fire applications which Scout rifles need to have.

The Mod 70 is used by 98% of bolt gun shooters.

I have one made on a Rem 78 30.06, another is 700 in 7/08, another is Mod 11 Swiss straight pull in 6MM/284. The Swiss does not lend itself to easy conversion to 308 but is done. The Swiss does lend itself to conversion to anything based on the 284 Winchester though. My next one will be a pre 64 Mod 70. I just need to mount the base, lop off the barrel and will be ready for party time.
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Old 12-23-2007, 12:00 PM   #4
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Just had a fit of industry and took a pic of my "cheap scout." Let's see if it posts.
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put a scope on it for my tired old eyes, and you've got what i'm looking for.
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This one seems to have holes drilled in the left side of the receiver for a side mount. Maybe I'll run into such a mount cheap someday, but I like it pretty well with the peeps on it.

I just got a line on a wood sporter stock set for it. If that deal goes through as planned, I'll be taking the ATI stock off it and looking to dispose of it. If you're interested, let me know. ATI sells two different Enfield stocks, one for the Mk III and one for the No. 4/5, so you'd have to be starting with a 4 or 5 and not one of the .308 Mk IIIs.

I'm kinda looking forward to shooting the little monster for the first time when the weather warms up again.

I'd also like to find one of the cut-down 4 or 5 round mags for the thing. With the big hangdown mag removed, the little rifle is actually darn close to handsome!
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Old 12-25-2007, 04:41 PM   #7
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My next one will be a pre 64 Mod 70. I just need to mount the base, lop off the barrel and will be ready for party time.
What do you use for a scope mount for this gun? That's the main snag for scouts (assuming you scope it at all).

Problem with pre-64's is that they are still god-awful expensive.

It used to be you could get clip slots that just mounted on the rear bridge where the rear scope base would normally go, for some guns anyway. Creedmoore Sports, I think, for Savages.
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Burris makes a scout mount that can be used on a Mod 70. I will replace barrel with a shorter heavier barrel.
Square D makes a Scout mount for 700 with a little modification is useable on Mod 70.

The easiest is turn a section of barrel cylinder the same diameter as a Thompson Super 14 Contender barrel and get the Weaver mount for such and drill/tap the barrel and you are good to go.

8.00 scout mount.
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The easiest is turn a section of barrel cylinder the same diameter as a Thompson Super 14 Contender barrel and get the Weaver mount for such and drill/tap the barrel and you are good to go.

8.00 scout mount.
You just reminded me for some reason of my Snakeneered scope mounts for a Ruger MK II. The barrel is exactly 7/8", so I got a pair of see-thru scope rings for a .22, mounted them upside down on the barrel, and clamped them to the rail of a classic Bushnell Phantom 2.5X. Total cost including gun-show scope, @ $35.

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Now that I have to admit is one more slick idea.

You are hereby awarded one ATTABOY.
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Old 01-07-2008, 04:16 AM   #12
 
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Now THAT is crafty!

I saw a sporterized No5 at the last gunshow for $250.
It was tastefully done and had Weaver glass on it.
My brother went back for it and it was GONE.
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Old 01-12-2008, 08:37 AM   #13
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How does "Bubba Enfield" look in his new wood suit?

Anyone have any idea where I can buy a ready-chopped SMLE magazine?
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"...never saw combat..." Neither did most of the milsurp rifles available. In any case, not seeing combat is not a reason nor excuse to bubba a battle rifle. Find something that has already been bubba'd to play with.
"...buy a ready-chopped SMLE magazine?..." They're horrendously expensive if you can find one.
In any case, there's no such thing as a 'scout' rifle. It's nothing more than one of Jeff Cooper's halucinations.
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In any case, there's no such thing as a 'scout' rifle. It's nothing more than one of Jeff Cooper's halucinations.
Ah, but Jeff defined this particular halucination, as you put it. So if something meets his definition, then it is a "scout rifle."
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The wood suit looks great on Mr. Enfield.

I've got a chinese T-53 barrelled receiver on the way. If the barrell's any good, I think it will make a fine start for my scout rifle.
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