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Old 11-26-2007, 05:44 AM   #1
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7mm mauser

I'm wondering about the 7mm mauser cartridge. Anyone shoot a 7mm mauser? Any good? I saw one a week or so ago for $230, I don't know what country its from. I didnt look, and the shop owner only writes calibers and prices on the tags. (I did look at the tag ) Thanks
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Old 11-26-2007, 07:29 AM   #2
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Hey Dex--It's one of the classics. The 7mm bullet has sectional density superior the the 7.62 and 8mm (flies farther, flatter). Good performance on game. Handloading makes it one of the most versatile cartridges out there. 7mm-08 duplicates its performance in a shorter case, but is a modern and therefore more expensive proposition. Know that most of the Mauser rifles chambered for 7mm have weaker actions than the M98. If you're looking at a reasonably priced M98 in 7mm, and bore is good--snap it up! I love this round, and its cousin the 6,5x55mm mauser--few riflemen can shoot to the capabilities of these cartridges.
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Old 11-26-2007, 11:45 AM   #3
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Hmmm... Might be a stupid question, but is there still surplus 7x57mm out there, or is it pretty much commercial only?
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Old 11-27-2007, 06:15 AM   #4
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I don't know of any significant supplies of surp 7mm--Prvi and Igman produce new boxer primed ammo. All the majors in the US load the round as well. As it's a bolt gun, a reasonable quantity of cases would last the thoughtful reloader a lifetime.
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Old 11-27-2007, 04:22 PM   #5
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What's the best grain bullet? I see it comes in a few different weights. I realize those different weights could be for taking different animals in a hunting situation, but I'm probably only gonna punch paper with it, if I can buy it (funds permitting. heh)

I do reload, but I've never reloaded for rifle calibers where the shells were bottle shaped. Probably the same as pistol cartridges, only different? haha.

I have heard from many that the 7mm mauser is a fantastically accurate round. There must be some merit to it if its still fairly popular today, even amid the sectrum of more modern super-cartridges.
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Old 11-28-2007, 08:24 PM   #6
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Jack O'Connor was a big fan of the 7X57. He was fond of bullets weighing between 139 and 160 grains. I have a Ruger M77 chambered in 7X57 and it is very accurate for a sporter. The load that seems to work best in my rifle is as follows:

145 grain Speer spitzer boattail
47.5 grains of H414
WLR primer
W-W brass
muzzle velocity 2710 fps

This load has low recoil and is good for game up to the size of large mule deer.
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Old 11-30-2007, 06:14 PM   #7
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wow. Low recoil, and hi-power. I gotta say, I'm startin to really dig this concept. Its not often you run across a combo like that. That load you listed would yeild about 2364f/p at the muzzle. That's a pretty nasty little round!
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Old 12-01-2007, 07:51 AM   #8
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Cap'n Dex,

If you check out any of the reloading manuals available you will find, as geodan pointed out, the 7X57 round is one of the most sweet shooting versatile rounds you will find. Despite the fact that the cartridge was designed 115 years ago you would be hard pressed to find a modern round in it's category that will out perform it.

If you can find a good rifle chambered in 7X57 buy it.

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Old 12-01-2007, 09:37 AM   #9
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I love this old cartridge. My favorite 7mm was an old Remington Rolling Block that was missing the back sight, and had the rifling gone from the last 2 1/2" of barrel. I lopped it back even with the forend and then me & a gunsmith pal mounted a ramp & white bead. We then ran a ball mill across the bottom of an old Williams Guide so it would match the receiver.

When it was all screwed together it looked a little odd, but would group just under 2" with Privi Partizan 175 gr RN soft-points. I had about 15 boxes of those, bought out from a bait shop that closed.

While this rifle wasn't the most mechanically-accurate thing on earth, it was near-perfect in my hands and I pulled off the best running game shot of my life with it. It was just one of those 'magic' guns that when you plant the bead on something- it was done. The effect of those 175 SP's was remarkable.

The old rifle finally got to piercing primers and when it did you'd get a face full of hot gas; so away it went.

Hope you find the 7mm you want. It's a great cartridge and deserving of being kept alive another 50 years.
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There is one thing you have to watch out for on 7x57 mm rifles: what action is it? The earlier model 93/96 actions should only be loaded to 45K CUP. A 7x57 on the 98 action or other modern action can be taken to higher pressures and higher performance.

The 45 CUP loads are about you get from Remchester. Hotter stuff is available elsewhere.

I picked up several 98's as knockabout deer rifles for myself & boys a few years back. Nice rifles (mine needed rebarreled )
139 gr Hornaday, 43.5 gr IMR 4064, WW LR primer & whatever brass = 2660 @ 15 feet from a 19" carbine barrel I got from Numrich for $35. I can push it harder, but don't bother for what I use it for. Put a Leupold pistol scope on it and decided Jeff Cooper was a genius.
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Old 12-04-2007, 04:26 PM   #11
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I had the morning off, so I went up, and actually took a look at the rifle. It had a marking on the reciever ring that was written in spanish: something de armas Oviedo 1930. I looked it up a little, and I'm seein that Oviedo was an Arsenal. The lady at the shop said she didn't know much about the rifle, only that is was a mauser action, and it was spanish. So I'm guessing Oviedo was where the Spanish mausers were built? She was thinkin it wasn't a real mauser, but a copy. But if it has Spanish Arsenal markings...

Anyway, about the condition of the rifle, itself. someone, in their infinite wisedom, decided to chop the stock down to sporter length, which doesn't offend me greatly, but doesn't really excite me, either. The finish seems to be pretty good with just a few little specks of rust on the rear sight thing. The bore is dirty, but the rifling looks sharp. It looks like someone shot the crap out of it, and never bothered to clean it. The stock is straight grip, and blonde. Although cut down. The lady told me she'd hold it for me for a week with no $$ down. I guess it helps I spend alot of money there. haha. It seems like it'd be a pretty handy carbine. And from the sounds of the reviews, the 7x57 is a tough cartridge to beat! For $230, it might just be worth the purchase.

with the pressure concerns of the 93/96 vs. 98 mausers, would S&B, or prvi partizan ammo be ok to use in it? Thanks!!
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Old 12-05-2007, 05:49 AM   #12
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I was able to do a little more research on the thing, and I am arriving at the belief that the rifle in question is a 1916 Guardia Civil short mauser. I saw a crown on the ring of the reciever, but couldn't really make out a whole lot more, because the store wasn't real well lit. But I'm thinkin its a 1916 G.C. Solving one mystery...

still need to know what kind of (commercial) ammo would be acceptable, though. Thanks!
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One of the better deals I ever ran up on was a Venezuelan 7X57 carbine (FN Made) with a dog barrel and chopped up stock. Got it for $30 and rebarreled with a Douglas No 7 (in 7 Mauser) and found a Bishop varmint stock. Mounted Centraltarget sight on rear and Anchutz on front and Timney trigger and it is now a winner.

One of the most redeeming features of these actions is the ability to rapid fire reload from a 5 round stripper clip.

The Brits were first introduced to the 7 Mauser by the Boars in South Africa and there are still alot of Brits there that did not take the boat ride home as a result.

S&B load 7 Mauser rounds and brass is reloadable.

An excellent bullet for accuracy is the Sierra 150 Gr. Matchking. The boys at Sierra say it is the most accurate bullet they make and I have to say my rifles love them. I also have a Mod 70 target in 7 Mauser.

I haven't shot mine beyond 600 as yet but see no reason why it won't run at 1000.

William Moore also had the ideal plan, a pistol scope forward of the receiver but I do it even cheaper. I have been using NC Star pistol scopes as Scout scopes and so far no problems at all. Such a set up retains the ability for rapid fire reloading and excellent sighting system to boot. If you get it rebarreled you can get a Weaver scope base for the Thompson Contender and have the barrel turned same diameter as Contender ( or a little larger as long as it is cylinder) and you have one more solid scope base also at a price of around ten bucks. With this set up you can buy a scope, base and rings for maybe 70.00 and be very dangerous at longer ranges.



You might take a good look at bolt to make sure the striker is not broken.

Insofar as price is concerned I look at it this way, a good solid 98 action/receiver capable of clip loading is worth $100.00 for the action alone.
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