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Old 10-10-2007, 06:15 PM   #1
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K98 and Enfield shooting impressions

FINALLY took my K98 russian re-build to the range today. Got it some 4 years ago. BNZ43. I had purchased one of those knockoff "trench" magazines for it (holds like 20 rds or so)...Sarco or Northridge...don't remember. After loading it with only 10 rds, and firing 3, the thing literally fell apart (the trench mag) Bad spot welds made the large piece in the back break loose. Next, I found the K98 action to be VERY stiff and clunky. It is a mismatch, refinished hodge podge of parts. SHot about 12 inches high even with the rear sight elevation on the lowest setting. Thinking of getting a higher front post...if I can find one. THen I picked up my No1 MK4 that is all matching vet bringback. Biggest pain was loading the rounds from the stripper clips.....don't think I had them in the clip right. Too bad the Enfield used a rimmed cartridge...other than the mag loading issues the Enfield was a smooth dream compared to the K98. Glad I have another one of those. All in all very dissappointed with the K98...if it wasn;t so darn neat and historical it'd be gone!

PS> before I solder the trench mag back together...has anyone converted an MG 13 mag to work in the K98? I could use the piece that broke off to make it work....maybe....
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Old 10-18-2007, 05:17 AM   #2
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Hey Carbine, hate to hear about your bad experience. I have a '44 CE k98 (JP Sauer u. Sohn) that I haven't fired yet. I've also got a '44 No. 4 Mk1 Enfield that I haven't fired yet. Was thinking about taking both to the range next week, if this beautiful weather holds. I was going to mention that I think it was Sportsman's Guide had a device that replaced the floorplate and follower in the k98, and worked like a detachable box magazine. It was about $50, and looked nice. If I shot one a lot, I'd go ahead and invest in one...
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Old 10-18-2007, 05:19 PM   #3
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tranch mag repaired

I hooked up the Map gas and oxygen and fixed the trench mag....didn't screw up the finish too bad. I'll need to take the 98 out again and see if I can get it to work....how are othere peoples' K98's? Are they a bear to cycle? Or am I just making an unfair comparison putting it up against the Enfield.....thanks!
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Old 11-05-2007, 04:01 AM   #4
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Ja, if zey do not improve ze quality control of der Karabiner 98, zey may lose ze war!!!

Oh wait. That's right... "Zey" WERE the "bad guys", remember? As fun as it is to collect and shoot Nazi weapons, let's be glad they weren't TOO accurate to begin with.

But as far as your trying to get better accuracy out of it today, what type of ammo are you using? If it's Romy or Yugo surplus, that may be a good bit of your problem. That stuff is great for blasting with MG-42s, but it was never intended as match grade to begin with. Try a box of premium 8x57 target like Portugese or maybe Norma brand, and see if that helps. Also, check the headspace. One other thing; the K98 was not designed for a high-cap box mag to begin with, and the extra pressure of the bigger spring pushing the ammo up on the bottom of the bolt *may* be adding drag and a sideways loading on the bolt, which could make the action seem bad. If you have the original floorplate, put it back to stock configuration and see if that improves the feel of it. They weren't the smoothest weapon, but they shouldn't be THAT bad.
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Old 11-05-2007, 05:15 PM   #5
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I have shot a K98 that came here many years ago . From the condition of the bore and the rest of the wear areas , it hadn't been shot very much since it was built in 1944 . The first thousand rounds through it was rather stiff , but now that I have over two thousand through it the operation is much smoother .

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Old 12-21-2007, 01:02 PM   #6
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I have a vet bringback K98 and it is bar-non the finest bolt action military rifle I have ever fired. Easy smooth cycling, good sights, nice stock feel, and almost no kick! I really enjoy the hell out of that rifle.

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Old 12-24-2007, 08:00 PM   #7
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No kick? You got bullets in it?
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Old 12-26-2007, 07:11 AM   #8
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agreed. I hated the 8mm I had because that thing had a nasty recoil with surplus ammo. Wasn't too bad with remington ammo, but U.S. co.'s load the 8mm down.

My 7mm on the other hand...is VERY nice to shoot.
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Old 12-27-2007, 04:12 AM   #9
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I'd go to a good gunsmith and have him check the headspace on that K98 ASAP!

There is an old saying, "The Germans entered WWI with a hunting rifle, the Americans entered WWI with a target rifle and the British entered WWI with a battle rifle."

Germans K98 8mm
Americans M1903 with 1906 Ammuntion .30-06
British SMLE .303

Who notes the .303 may have been a rimmed ctg. but it lasted well into the 1960s, as did the .30-06.
Who also notes he wouldn't feel naked packing a .303...especially in a Bren Gun.
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Old 12-28-2007, 06:29 PM   #10
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'cept Americans were by large armed with enfields... I wouldn't discount the 1917, or the 1903. Both are great rifles. The enfield, by reputation, was better built for combat, though. Not a horrible choice, and a pretty happy coincidence for our military in WW1.
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Old 12-30-2007, 06:55 AM   #11
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I got my byf44 a year or so ago and it was a little stiff. I figured it was from the new finish. I dropped some oil on it and cycled the bolt about 500 times while watching TV. It is a lot smoother now. I think you just have to get the parts slicked up.
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Old 01-01-2008, 04:21 PM   #12
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Last week I got to fire for the first time my Savage Enfield and my RC K98 (dot 44).

Fired some S.A. .303 in the Enfield and was surprised by the mild recoil. The front sight is noticibly off to one side resulting in point of impact to the right of the target at 100 yards. That can be fixed.

I fired some '70's Yugo ammo out of the RC, and the recoil was stouter, but not uncomfortable. With a six o'clock hold on the target I got the following at 50 yards. I dropped back to 50 yards after after initially trying it at 100 with point of impact about 14 plus inches above point of aim.

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Old 01-02-2008, 01:29 PM   #13
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The old Army Zero target was set up to print above or below the point of aim at 25 meters, which gave you a zero out at about 250 meters.

Looks like it's more complicated now.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... 9/appg.htm

Who hopes his google has better results next time. Sigh.
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Old 01-10-2008, 03:24 PM   #14
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My Mauser shop bible mentions that many post-1941 98k's were manufactured in part by partisan (ie "slave") labor and may have hidden defects. Improper heat treating of the receiver being a common problem.

The book recommends that any post '41 be checked out by a good gunsmith.
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Old 01-19-2008, 03:11 PM   #15
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Post '41 Mausers

It was a very common feeling in the 1950-60's that all of the post-'41 Mauser had problems. Simply not true. The Germans had very strict standards and not many "bad" rifles made it through. Most arms factory employees were long-time employees and any "slaves" used were very afraid for their lives. Messing with production was very dangerous. The Russian Capture Mausers were re-built in Russia post-war and are mix-matched rifles that are not smooth, but are good shooters. Try to find Mausers with nice bores, they are very good shooters.
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