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Old 11-12-2006, 06:18 AM   #1
 
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1903A3 accuracy potential

I'm curious as to what the potential accuracy is that is attainable from a standard CMP Remington 1903A3. By that, I mean what is realistically possible should someone have a solid scope/mount, glass bed the action, and dedication to finding "the" handload.

Not that I have any intention of sporterizing my 03a3, and I have no chance of shooting that well any more due to aging eyes and iron sights. The CMP 30-06 ammo shoots as well at 100 yds as I can, so it's more of a theoretical question.
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Old 11-12-2006, 06:17 PM   #2
 
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When I was a Kid..

I used an O3A3 pretty much as issued (a DCM rifle) for deer hunting in Michigan.. it would keep three shots well under inch-and-a-half.. with the battle sight.. if I remember right, Marble made a replacement blade with a brass bead that replaced the battle sight blade..I was useing handloads of some sort..I do remember that we had a rich aquaintance that wanted to hunt on the farm with us one year, and in sighting in, he had a Steyer-Mannlicher with an expensive scope, and couldn't group as well as I could with the A3 and irons.. made my day... Les
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Old 11-13-2006, 06:25 AM   #3
 
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Somewhere I think I still have the target where, back in 1986, I shot a 3.5" group at 300yds with my Remington 2-groove barrel A3. I was using handloaded 168g SMKs and, of course, it was from the bench. I think the rifles are capable of 1 MOA accuracy with the right ammo. I don't have any Springfields anymore but my A3 always outshot my 1903.
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Old 11-15-2006, 08:17 AM   #4
 
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Barrels

I have always heard you could shoot-out a 2 groove barrel. Match shooters in the 1950's found a 2 groove barrels to be quite accurate as long as the barrel was new/near new. Not true for a 4 groove barrel, they hold their accuracy very long. Just my $.02.
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Old 11-19-2006, 06:06 PM   #5
 
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'03A3 accuracy

If you have a CMP '03A3 in original condition I'd think long and hard about turning it into a hunting rifle. The supply of these is just about used up and they are climbing in price. It won't be long before you'd be kicking yourself for butchering it. What will you get if you do? A good scope , mounts etc., restocking it and glass bedding, you could buy a new rifle for what the eventual cost will total up to on a sporterizing job. JMHO.
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Old 11-20-2006, 11:37 AM   #6
 
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Re: '03A3 accuracy

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If you have a CMP '03A3 in original condition I'd think long and hard about turning it into a hunting rifle. The supply of these is just about used up and they are climbing in price. It won't be long before you'd be kicking yourself for butchering it. What will you get if you do? A good scope , mounts etc., restocking it and glass bedding, you could buy a new rifle for what the eventual cost will total up to on a sporterizing job. JMHO.
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Not that I have any intention of sporterizing my 03a3
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Old 11-20-2006, 08:15 PM   #7
 
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If you drill holes and mount a scope and glass bed the action, you might as well "sporterize" it as far as historical/monetary value goes. Theoretically, of course the accuracy could be quite precise, depending on lots of things, including the barrel you started with. A parts rifle made up of individual quality parts might be the optimum way to go if you really want to find out. JMHO.
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Old 11-21-2006, 06:02 AM   #8
 
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stryker,

You are obviously missing my point. I have no intention of sporterizing my rifle, ie, changing it from the way it was designed. I was asking a theoretical question, as I thought I clearly stated. I thought someone may have "been there, done that", and could provide the answer to what is possible.

Let me clearly restate: I have no intention of sporterizing my rifle, including drilling holes, mounting a scope, glass bedding, etc. Feel better?
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Old 11-21-2006, 02:48 PM   #9
 
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Would be interesting to find out if there was a "national match" version of an 03A3 and what might have been done to them to accurize them.

My 2-groove 1943 03A3 will shoot pretty consistent 2" groups at 100 yards off a rest using mostly Korean PS ammo. I haven't tried any of my Greek ammo yet or Lake City. For purely milsurp ammo, I don't think that's too bad at all.
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Old 11-21-2006, 03:09 PM   #10
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Re: When I was a Kid..

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I used an O3A3 pretty much as issued (a DCM rifle) for deer hunting in Michigan.. it would keep three shots well under inch-and-a-half.. with the battle sight.
That sounds reasonable. The last time I fired my O3A4--all 100% stock, except for the Weaver K3 scope instead of the GI scope--it put PMC ball ammo into 1.5" 5-shot groups at 100. It is a 2-groove.
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Old 11-21-2006, 04:47 PM   #11
 
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On one of my good days, using milsurp ammo, me and my A3 can hold the 10 ring at 100 with an SR1 target shooting prone with a sling. That's about the best I'm capable of with my CMP Remmington. What's that, 3"?

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Old 11-21-2006, 08:50 PM   #12
 
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Deercop. I never felt better. You asked a theoretical question and I gave you a theoretical reply based on some experience. I have a 1903 that was once a national match. Someone in the late '50s or early '60s took it and glass bedded it into a sporter stock after turning down the barrel. I bought it in high school for $70. It now sports a 2-10 scope and a free floated barrel. Shoots amazingly tight groups with factory ammo (when I was a youngster I put a round in a buck's ear at over 400 measured yards), but every time I look at it I wish I could change it back to what it once was. I also have a 1903A3 that is mint, except for the Lyman rear sight someone mounted on it which likewise changed it to it's historical detrement. (it is also a wonderful shooter) My comment was merely that it is very possible to get amazing accuracy out of a good 03A3, but often not worth it when the true costs are figured. (I'm not talking about money) I realise you don't intend to change YOUR rifle. My comments were not nearly so much directed solely towards you as they were towards the guy who heads for his hacksaw and Dremel tool without thinking, theoretically or otherwise. You asked for a realistic assessment. The only way to give one is to have actually done it. I have a good example; supurbly accurate and a crying shame at the same time.

George S: As far as I know (Rick the Librarian can confirm this) no 1903A3 was ever made as a national match rifle, but I seem to recall some debate about that point, some people believing that a very few might have been.[/i]
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Old 11-22-2006, 03:43 AM   #13
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Actually, they did make an 03-A3 National Match rifle. However, because of the positioning of the rear sight, stripper clips could not be used, hence it was a complete failure.

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Old 11-28-2006, 07:37 PM   #14
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"...potential accuracy..." Depends on the ammo. My '03A4 will shoot a one hole group with 168 grain match bullets. Off a bench at 100, if I do my part using a Bushnell 2.5 to 8 Scopechief. (it didn'tcome with a scope and original scopes, etc were scarce when I bought it for $175 Cdn. $200US if you could find one.) It wouldn't surprise me in the least to see an '03A3 do the same or very close to it.
Stryker, you'd burst into tears if I told you about what one kid who bought one of the ten we had in the shop did to the one he bought. Think rip saw.
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