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Old 04-27-2006, 04:11 PM   #1
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$1500 AR-15 vs. $150 SKS.

Here's my question: assuming the same basic skill level, is a man with a good, reliable (one that has proven its reliability) $150 SKS significantly outgunned by a man with a $1500 AR-15? I say no. What say you?
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Old 04-27-2006, 04:35 PM   #2
 
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Outgunned in what way?

I can guarentee his reload time is going to be extremely faster. As well, I much prefer the 5.56 NATO to the 7.62 soviet. Heck, I much prefer the 5.45 soviet to the 7.62 soviet.

The best SKS that I've ever seen (and happen to own) is a somewhat rare "sks sporter" that came in just before the import ban instituted by former president bush. It takes AK47 mags, and is of the paratrooper format. It's significantly heavier than a comparable mousegun.

There are many pros to the mousegun.

Even so, the way it would be used would make all the difference in whether someone was "outgunned". Regardless of price difference.
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Old 04-27-2006, 05:52 PM   #3
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Even if two opponents are similarly skilled, there are so many other factors that it's difficult to say in a one-on-one battle. However, consider two platoon or company size units opposing each other, one using AR's and the other the SKS. I think the AR looks better.
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Old 04-27-2006, 07:26 PM   #4
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$1500 AR? Good basic ARs can be bought or built for half that.

Close in--out to maybe 50 yards--I'd much prefer the AR.

From 50 to maybe 150 or so, it might be a pretty close matchup.

Past 150, I like my chances of actually hitting something with the AR much better.

IF the two guns were equal in accuracy, and IF the SKS had a fast mag reloading system and decent sights, they'd be pretty close across the board out to 200 or so--and then I think the SKS power would hold up for a few extra yards--50? 100? Hard to say.

If you really want me to spend $1500 on my AR, it'll have a scope on it that will let me dispense Sudden Traumatic Terminal Headaches to at least 300 yards, and maybe a good deal beyond that. Precise placement can make up for lack of power.
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bestseller,
I will take your statement and put it in the context of an insurgency:
there would be only slight advantages that each of the combatants
would hold over one another.
Remember that in an insurgency, the rebels will choose the time and place of the engagement (if within their power). Also, the beauty of the ComBloc weapons (SKS/AK/RPK) was their simplicity, reliability,
cheap cost, and relative firepower. They were (and are) a lot of bang for the buck (or ruble)!
All-in-all, though, I would chose my AR over any ComBloc weapon I have ever owned~~~however, I am not crawling around in a muddy
field or rice paddy. That might have an effect on my choices...

--BushRat--
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Perhaps I inflated the price of the AR unduly. I've never had a yen for one, so I'm not totally up on what they cost.
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I'd rather have 4 SKS's than one AR.
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Outgunned? Possibly. Significantly outgunned? No.
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I'd rather have 4 SKS's than one AR.
Only if I had three trained, trusted friends to man them with me. Otherwise, I'd rather have the one AR.
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Only if I had three trained, trusted friends to man them with me. Otherwise, I'd rather have the one AR.
Isn't that rule #3 of the gun fight? "Bring your friends and their rifles."
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Old 04-29-2006, 08:32 PM   #11
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I may be wrong, (it's been a while since I owned anything in 7.62x39) but;

I thought the 7.62x39 round was basically ballistically equivalent to a 30-30. I used mine (Mini-30) out to 150 yards very well. I never had a chance to check it at longer distances. I was consistently shooting 2" groups at 100 yards. I had a 3-9 power cheapy Bushnell scope on it (I can't see anything at 100 yards or further away; getting old sucks). The few times I have been able to get the department AR's out, I was shooting about the same with them.

At close ranges 150 yards or less, I would prefer the heavier and larger hole that the 7.62 makes over the 5.56 round. Any further than that and I believe that the accuracy of the AR would make it the better rifle. I am currently lusting after a M1A1 (something like the SA Squad Scout). My daughter will be getting an AR (Bushmaster 16", collapsable stock) this summer, so I should have both to play with (and get my M1 Carbine back from her. . .)

Just my $0.02 and I may be wrong!!
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Old 04-29-2006, 08:32 PM   #12
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Every AR I have shot has been relatively accurate and every SKS I have shot has been a crap shoot.

I am confident that I can pick up almost any AR and hit center of mass on a body outline atlleast to 500 meters. The SKS I would not go past 200 or 300 to be confident!!! The first shot is the one that counts and the AR will out shoot the SKS every time!!!

AR gets my vote!!!

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Ar-15 vs. SKS.............

I noticed people using terms like 150 yards and 300 yards........

I don't normally imagine many attackers running toward me at a distance of longer then a football field, let alone 3 football fields in plain sight. :soldier:

Hell I have never shot a deer in the state I live in at more then 75 yards. We hunt hardwood forests. There just isn't that many wide open spaces where I live.

A lot of folks consider themselves long range shooters. I myself am comfortable at our range at 300 yards with my 30-06 Savage bolt action. And I am happy with it.

I would love to have a new or good condition AR-15. And if I owned one I would most likely carry it instead of the SKS that I do own.

My $.02 cents worth... for the limited distance I would use a semi-auto type rifle in a survival type situation, either weapon would work. Long range shooting will be done by a long range weapon.

All my training and experience are based on patience, planning and shot placement. I once complained about my issued rifle and a rather loud, pissed off sounding, career military man yelled in my face......... "Shoot the fu--ing gun you have maggot. Not the gun you think you'd like to have."

So shoot what ya got. Get good with it. Sleep sound at night.

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At close ranges 150 yards or less, I would prefer the heavier and larger hole that the 7.62 makes over the 5.56 round.

There is a lot more to terminal ballistics than the size entrance hole a bullet makes.

That's one of the reasons I prefer the 5.56 NATO.

If I were to decide (for some odd reason) to carry something in 7.62 Soviet, I'd feel the need to load it with ammo using the Hornady VMAX bullet (also called the TAP round, when in the black box). Typically that takes care of two problems associated with that round.
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Bravo, and all, are y'all thinking with 5.56/7.62x39 HPs or military rounds? If military, that makes me kinda hedge to the SKS, as the greater power overcomes the ability for quick follow-up shots.

Of course, that's asuming I can find an accurate SKS. My experience with 7.62 Russian is limited to an AK that grouped 10 inches at 50 yards from a bench with three seperate shooters, and was 6 inches left of point of aim. For me, it's hard to see how an SKS would be more accurate without some work.
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Old 05-01-2006, 10:18 AM   #16
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I get a three to five inch group @ 100yrds with my romanian M59. I have not shot an AR type rifle since the Corps but the savings from buying an SKS instead of an AR would be better spent on ammo.
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Personally, I don't have much use for military ammo outside of recreational shooting / training. Anything for a social occasion will be loaded to the highest standard I can find.

The last Kalashnikov in 7.62 soviet I owned would do just over 4 MOA at 500. As in, it'd put a round on a siloughette, mostly. Oddly, at 600, it wouldn't group worth anything.

The last Simonov sporter (AK mag SKS) I owned wouldn't keep all the rounds on paper at 300, using Chicom or Ruskie ammo. Even when rested.

IMO, the greater recoil impulse of the 7.62 Soviet makes it neither fish nor foul. It doesn't have the poop to be a battle rifle (note results at 600), but it's got too much pop for controlability at close ranges. Well, more than the 5.56 anyway.

Due to this, I say "get a milder recoiling cartridge for close-in, and a heavier hitting cartridge for farther out".

The Kalashnikov, IMO, is REALLY top flight in 5.56 NATO. But I ain't selling! As for the AK74 in 5.45 soviet, I don't personally know, but it won't be long now until I do. Marc says my KTR ought to be done and in my hands this month. Hopefully I'll be able to find some ammo to try it out with soon
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I have had norinco, czech and yugo SKS's and found the czechs would shoot fairly well. 2 inch at 100 with a sampling of ammo. About as good as i can do with military sights. the yugo and the Norinco would both do about 3 to 3.5. sometimes better, sometimes not. We did get one in that was a russian that would not hold the paper at 100. Closer eval showed a bent barrel, as it warmed the POI changed dramatically. If you fired one stripper clit fast, then reloaded and tried to get on the paper, you would be at least a foot left of POA>POI with a cold barrel.

Re a hundred and fifty SKS vs a AR, In a modern war, it can be perhaps said that the AR platform bmight be better, espescially if you were able to load civilian ammo. Altho used properly and handled by someone skilled with a stripper clip, a SKS in the MUOT would defintely ruin your day.
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In my neck of the woods, where long shots would be rare, I'll take an SKS. Why? Because I like 'em!!!!
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Old 05-03-2006, 08:52 AM   #20
 
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Bravo, that's not a bad idea. I've always like the .308/7.62 NATO anyway, and my wife will probably be getting a .223 for hunting in a few months. Her wanting to hunt was a surprise, let me tell yuh.
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