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Old 03-09-2007, 03:25 PM   #1
 
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M1A with Scope - Not Impressed

I was at one of my local dealers here this afternoon. I noticed an M1A with a Leupold VariX III 4-14X50 receiver mounted scope on his rack. A very attractive weapon indeed.

However:

The dealer kindly allowed me to handle the rifle, but I couldn't get a decent cheek weld...in fact, my cheek was at least three inches above the comb when I looked through the scope. The base of my chin rested on the comb when my eye was aligned with the scope!

How do you shoot something like that with any degree of comfort or precision?

The dealer told me that most folks build the comb up with synthetic or leather cheek pieces. This rifle would need a significant cheek piece to enable a decent cheek weld!

Oh well, my fantasy of owning one of these handsome rifles just went out the window. I am back to looking for a bolt rifle.

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Old 03-09-2007, 04:56 PM   #2
 
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you get a check pad
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Old 03-09-2007, 05:43 PM   #3
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bluedsteel,
I've never been impressed either. None of my M14 type rifles will ever see a scope. The issue sights are quite impressive anyway.

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Old 03-09-2007, 05:57 PM   #4
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That's why the M25 has an adjustable comb.

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One thing I've never understood is why people want to buy a battle rifle and then immediately put a scope on it. M14s have what are arguably one of the best iron sight systems ever devised. If you can't shoot an M14 well with irons, you won't be able to shoot one any better with a scope.

I confess that after a couple of years of owning an M14 I bought a scope and sight base to try it myself. Meh... I sold the base and the scope is tucked away in the safe. Glad I didn't go hog-wild and buy a really expensive scope. :P

TLDR: M14s aren't sniper rifles, they are battle rifles. If you want a scoped sniper rifle, you shouldn't be looking at M14s in the 1st place. Buy a bolt gun and be happy.
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Old 03-09-2007, 07:26 PM   #6
 
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Quagmire;

I think you pretty much summed it up.

I have often seen M1A's at gun shows and at shops like the one I was at today that have scopes mounted on the receiver. These rifles have intrigued me for quite some time, but I never handled one. The deficiencies of this system come to life when one of this rifles is picked up and aimed.

You are certainly correct, the battle peep sights are quite good, just like those on the Garand. But my eyes are getting older, and I have recently been spoiled by the Vari X III I placed on my .243...hence the quest for a "tactical" scoped rifle.

I will start seeking out a Rem 700 rig....maybe a 700P if I can find one...

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I have a scope setup for my Poly M14, but only for ammo and accuracy testing. If I wanted to leave the scope on there for normal use, I'd build the stock up, or at least rig up some kind of detachable cheek pad.

You won't like optics mounted on the carry handle of an AR15, either. And due to the charging handle system, there's no way to rig up a decent cheek pad in the right place.
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bluedsteel: Understood. Unfortunately, that front sight post is sometimes a little blurry for me these days too. Good luck on your quest.

Snake45 True, but an A4 flat-top with a good red dot type sight is pretty sweet. Don't tell anyone I said that please.
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Old 03-09-2007, 08:06 PM   #9
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Snake45 True, but an A4 flat-top with a good red dot type sight is pretty sweet. Don't tell anyone I said that please.
I'm complaining about apples, and you're offering an orange!

(But you're right!)
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Old 03-09-2007, 10:54 PM   #10
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Well now, it's a funny thing don't ya know, but most M14's in use in Astan & Iraq are scoped.

They are used in an SDM role. Yes the battle sights are among the best ever, but a scope gives you a much better perspective on any type of target at ranges beyond 50yds.

Two of mine are scoped and one isn't. I enjoy shooting them equally. I use the Blackhawk lace on cheek rest. No problems with 'em.
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I absolutely agree with you gas_gunner. I tried a scope on my match M1A briefly and hated it. I found I loved shooting with open sights and learned to shoot pretty good this way. The M1A is one of the funnest rifles to shoot with open sights. If I want to shoot .308 with a scope I use my bolt gun. My M1A and bolt gun make a great combination.
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Old 03-10-2007, 06:16 AM   #12
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Scoping a "standard" stocked M14 type makes for an impossible to shoot combination IMHO. Especially is they have the SA mount and the too high rings that seem to be so common. You just can not get a good hold without a cheekpiece. I tried the strap on variety and while they sort-of work, I was still not happy until I started to do Bondo built-up cheek risers on GI synthetic stocks. That combined with mounting the scope as low as physically possible makes for a nice handling combo. Shouldering one of my stocks puts my eye right in the center of the optic, be it scope or red dot. Nothing wrong with the irons but two of "my" four will continue to wear optics.
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Old 03-10-2007, 06:22 AM   #13
 
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I think this is what's so great about the M14 platform, you can go either iron sights or scoped depending on the user's preference. If someone wants a scoped version the options are out there to take advantage of. If iron sights suit your needs/wants it has some of the best sights available, it's really a win-win situation. I'm setting up my Build 2.0 for both this time since there are times I want the scope and times I want the iron sights.
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Oryguner, that is a neat-looking scope setup on your rifle.
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Old 03-10-2007, 12:16 PM   #15
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I have been playing with an M1A with a scope using the Arms 18 mount and Arms QD rings. A good cheekweld is a still a bit of a problem since the centerline of the scope is about an inch above the centerline of the rear sight.
 
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Snake 45:

"You won't like optics mounted on the carry handle of an AR15, either. And due to the charging handle system, there's no way to rig up a decent cheek pad in the right place."


Amen to that. It's funny, the fancy adjustable cheekpiece manufacturers (like MagPul) don't tell you that the cheek piece will interfere with the charging handle.

I figure one day I'll spring for a Eotech Holosight for my AR. It will have to go on one of those carry-handle mounts that bend downward in front of the handle...I suppose that will work...

In the meantime, the bolt-gun search begins...

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Old 03-10-2007, 09:27 PM   #17
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Just my own two cents:

I use an ARMs mount with QD rings, and enjoy the ability to shoot with either scope or iron sights. My cheek pad is quick detachable
(from Cheek N Stock) that uses velcro, so it is as quick to change as
the scope.
I like the ability to see farther with optics, and the accuracy is very good. But there are many days when I prefer the NM iron sights I have.
Its nice to have your cake and eat it, too...(!)

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Old 03-10-2007, 09:47 PM   #18
 
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M1A with Scope - Not Impressed

I have a scope for my M1A and rarely use it. With the rifle's long sight radius and a .62 front blade, it's a joy to shoot.
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Old 03-11-2007, 08:39 AM   #19
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i just put a couple of pieces of that hot water pipe foam on mine and secured it with screws on top and contact cement on the sides- gives me a whole inch of rise- as to the ar, i have an a2 and put the cherokee rest on the back and that works as well as i need-
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my SOCOM has an EOTech on it. My two M1A Springfields have iron sights. I don't see any use for a regular scope on my rifles.
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