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Old 01-16-2007, 07:14 PM   #1
 
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Fulton Super Scout vs. Springfield Scout Squad

Has anyone had any experience with the Fulton Armory Super Scout? I'm weighing getting it vs. the Springfield Scout Squad and was wondering if it is worth the $800 extra.

What I'm wanting is a general purpose rifle that can be used from short to relatively long range (500-600 yards). Neither rifle is exactly what I'm wanting, so I'll be looking at extra $$$ to put on XS ghost ring sights, a JAE-100 stock, a good trigger, and whatever customization is necessary to hopefully bring it down to sub-moa accuracy (1" @100 with decent factory ammo is a necessity, with 3/4" being preferable).

Since the Fulton comes with a NM barrel, I'm guessing that it will most likely provide the best possibilities for accuracy, but I'm a little concerned about how their scout scope mount is fixed to the rifle. It appears to be the full length of the handguard, but I'm not sure how they are attaching it to the barrel so that it's as rigid as would be necessary to insure the best long range accuracy with a scope. I know that the Springfield scout scope mount clamps directly onto/around the barrel so I'm guessing that the Fulton has to be similar, but maybe clamps in multiple areas...?

Any ideas if the Fulton rifles can be had at less than the price on their web site ($2300), which I assume is retail? When they can be found (which is a big issue right now), the Scout Squads usually run around $1500, and I want to make sure I'm comparing apples to apples.

By the way, I wanted to say 'thanks' to those that have posted a lot of valuable info to this site in the past. This is my first post, but I found this forum to be invaluable in learning about the M-14s.

Thanks,
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Old 01-17-2007, 02:15 PM   #2
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SUTsMe,

I've never owned a Springfield Armory rifle, therefore, I cannot comment on them. However, I can tell you that I recently aquired a Fulton Armory Service Grade M14 and all I can say is that this rifle is the $hit.

Clint McKee personally builds each and every Fulton M14 rifle by hand w/U.S.G.I parts down to lapping the bolts and fitting each and every part to work together like a well oiled machine! FYI...I contemplated on a M14 purchase for quite a while and after reading this board along with conducting tons of research - I decided on the Fulton.

Hope this helps...

Regards,

45 ACP

p.s. Check out these websites - lot's of info and Fulton has their own section on Warrifles.

http://www.warrifles.com

http://www.m14firinglineforum.com/upload/
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Old 01-17-2007, 02:44 PM   #3
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While I have no experience with the Fulton ,I do have experince with Springfield and they are decent . Some Springfields have problems , 1 of mine did ,but the other 3 did not !
I would say it is like comparing a rifle built on a assemby line (Springfield) to a small custom shop build (Fulton) .
You can buy a Springfield off the self ,but be prepared to wait awhile on the Fulton . I have never hed anyone bad mouth a Fulton .
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Old 01-17-2007, 05:55 PM   #4
 
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The vast majority of the time the Fulton product will be better in every way than the SA Inc product.
If you can afford the Fulton then buy it.
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Old 01-17-2007, 07:00 PM   #5
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I have 2 SAI rifles, and both of mine have been very reliable. I cant comment on the Fulton (dont own one), but I never heard any bad words about them. I decided to put that extra 800 bucks toward another SAI rifle.

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Old 01-17-2007, 09:32 PM   #6
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fragout2000,

Those are some bad ass looking rifles!

Cheers,

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Old 01-17-2007, 11:38 PM   #7
 
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I'll join 45 acp on the fulton band wagon go with the fulton!!

I'm pretty sure they use their own version of the ultimak rail available for the m14,m1 carbine,mini14,ak47...etc it replaces the upper hand guard and clamps onto the barrel. I have the ultimak rail sitting in my room and I'm contemplating wether or not I actually want to mount it and buy a scout scope.
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Old 01-18-2007, 04:05 PM   #8
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Thanks for the kind words 45 ACP. Both rifles are currently "drying out", after the wife and I were shooting them in the sleet and snow just yesterday. Both rifles deliver minute of milk jug with South Africa's finest. We took along the Norinco M14 this time. With all the sleet/rain/snow coming down, we had all 3 rifles smokin in no time.
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Old 01-18-2007, 04:32 PM   #9
 
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heh what do you mean dry out period? heck I took my fulton out shooting in the rain it got soaked during the cease fires yes.. but it dried right off with a few rounds and it came home bone dry
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Old 01-18-2007, 05:00 PM   #10
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Now ya tell me that little secret Mothergreen. (LOL)
Most of the water was in the mags. Im currently puttin a few CMI mags through a little test . I have an old USGI (OM) mag that just wont fail,no matter what I do to it.
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Old 01-18-2007, 05:04 PM   #11
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I know what your a thinkin. My wife thinks Im a little nuts too. I dunked the fully loaded mag in a puddle, loaded it into my Norinco, and sent all 20rds downrange without a hiccup. This is why I like this platform so much. A very reliable stick in my opinion.
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Old 01-18-2007, 07:23 PM   #12
 
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thats a good point the mags were swimming..

but as we all 3 found out the m14 can totally handle it
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Old 01-19-2007, 01:39 PM   #13
 
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MotherGreeN,

UltiMAK... I hadn't seen that mount before, but after taking a look at their web site, it may give me more options - like getting an LRB receiver and having one custom built, or getting a standard M1A (which I'm able to find at the local shop) and eventually getting the barrel chopped.

Everyone - thanks for the feedback, it's helped me out.

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Old 01-19-2007, 05:16 PM   #14
 
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so I forced you to apease the gun gods by getting another rifle? silly me eh?
I have one on a plainfield m1 carbine I mounted an eotech on it I love it!! I just havn't goten around to the m14 one yet. might have to go the second rifle rout, just cant afford it.
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Old 01-20-2007, 04:00 AM   #15
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more options - like getting an LRB receiver and having one custom built, or getting a standard M1A (which I'm able to find at the local shop) and eventually getting the barrel chopped.
SUTsMe
Either of your original choices will work, but the Fulton is first class, and everything will be right. I agree this is the way to go if you've got the cash. Everyone deserves at least one outstanding rifle. You can also do a custom build -- a great way to go -- but there will be a wait..... Or buy a Fulton barreled receiver ... or a used rifle, preferably with USGI parts. There are deals to be had, if you watch carefully. You may want to look at the archives about heat transfer with the SA Scout mount. I'd avoid that if you like to go through a lot of ammunition quickly.

The idea of buying a standard and later getting the barrel chopped, however, is unbelievably bad idea. Not that many people I would trust to do that job, there is complex machining which has to be done right (look at it carefully some time, then read Fulton's site about barrels and machining, etc.), and it will not be as good as one manufactured the way you want it. Think of it like buying a large shirt when you want a small, and finding someone to cut it down later.... Just don't expect the chop to be a great rifle unless you get a top notch 'smith. Put the cost of the chop into a better rifle you can use now.

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Old 01-20-2007, 06:01 AM   #16
 
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CW - After finding out about the UltiMAK mount, I've pretty much decided against the Scout Squad (although not the Standard SA M1A or Bush). I'm planning on using a LER scope on it and I had some concerns about the eye relief allowed by the SA mount. The UltiMAK doesn't have that issue and also goes towards addressing the heat transfer issue. It also appears to be lower than the Fulton mount (which I think is pretty important) and doesn't have "SUPER SCOUT" in huge white letters.

I agree with you on everyone needing at least one outstanding rifle - the problem is that I already have a Steyr Scout (which IMHO is outstanding) and a couple of HKs, that although not necessarily outstanding, are certainly in the 'tad bit expensive' category. In short, my wife is less responsive than she used to be when I start talking about getting a new rifle that is going to run at least $1500 or so (I haven't told her about the $1200 of accessories that I plan on getting). An extra $800 for the base rifle really starts to hurt in the final picture.

As for chopping the barrel, you made some good points. I'm not likely to do that unless it doesn't shoot worth a flip anyway and I've tried everything else. If I end up getting the Standard, I'll may just take off the factory flash suppressor/sight and just replace the sight with the Smith gas cylinder lock sight dovetail. Having a flash suppressor is not a huge deal for me (I'd rather have a shorter/handier rifle).

I figure if I'm totally unhappy with the SA Standard, I can just take my mods off of it, sell it for a little loss, and get the Fulton or having the LRB built. BTW, the rifle at the following link is headed in the direction that I want to go (aside from the length), so it's probably influenced me a bit: http://www.rwva.org/yabbse/index.php...prev_next=prev

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