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Old 08-06-2005, 09:02 PM   #41
 
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POLYTECH...

New to me Polytech IDE..SPFLD MI 16754

any idea when this one came in??
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Old 08-06-2005, 11:53 PM   #42
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davpet, 1994 AFAIK. Thanks!

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Old 08-22-2005, 05:35 PM   #43
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Well, I'll state the obvious:

1) It looks like KFS imported no more than about 3000 Polytech Industries rifles, give or take.
2) IDE/CJA then picked up the serial numbers where KFS left off. IDE imports the Polytech rifles and a few Norinco rifles. Later, the company or its on-paper successor changes names from IDE to CJA and imports the Norinco rifles (see Norinco database). CJA stands for China Jin An.
3) IDE/CJA imports don't have receiver heel markings but the KFS and CAI imports do.

Interesting. I was hoping we could figure some things out by looking at receiver and barrel markings.
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Old 09-01-2005, 12:31 PM   #45
 
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poly-m-14 #15xxx IDE ,USA SPRF MI











WHERE? CAN I FIND MILSPEC HEADSPACE GAUGES, NO-GO, FIELD.
THANKS HUNPK.
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Old 09-20-2005, 01:00 PM   #46
 
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Marked on the receiver heel

POLY-TECH
M-14/S
7.62 NATO
00127

On the barrel at the 6 o'clock position, forward of the gas plug:

KFS ATL GA
CAI ST ALB VT.

It's got the butt pad and had the bobbed F/H.

Still all orginal except for the F/H and new stock comming soon.

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Old 09-20-2005, 02:30 PM   #47
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For headspace gauges, go to brownells.com and look for the headspace gauges by the actual dimension, e.g., 1.6405 " which is equal to NATO NO GO. Look for Forster or Clymer match set gauges.
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Old 10-24-2005, 09:37 PM   #48
 
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mystery m14

Mine has no markings at all except when you remove the stock there is a small series of stamped numbers that look more like a date that anything. I dont have it with me right now but it was something like a series of numbers like 19608. I,m guessing as I said but I will verifiy in the next few days for you. These numbers as I said are only exposed when you remove the stock which is kind of wierd.

On the barrel there is nothing I can see, nothing visible at all on the rcvr except at the heel there is a faint outline of something like it had been acid etched out.

If you rub oil on it you see a faint squared off area.

It does have that set screw for the barrel on the side that some say is indicitive of chicom?

The op rod (oops dont know my rod from my bolt ) does have the full auto notch but I cant tell if it is chicom or US. I,m going to take some better pics this weekend.

http://www.pbase.com/mrclark/image/20264638/original

http://www.pbase.com/mrclark/image/20264637

Now the bolt does not look like the chicom one listed here. http://www.imageseek.com/m1a/gallery/ci ... 5_173754AA

It looks more like the #5 Harrington & Richardson one if you are to look at the notch but it not notched as wide.

Anyhow when I take the beter pics I will update.

I think this is chicom but who made it?

Any help will be appreciated.

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Old 10-25-2005, 12:23 AM   #49
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clark, what you have is uncommon but there are a few Chinese Norinco receivers out there that were imported into the United States as you describe. I believe you're referring to the operating rod instead of the bolt. You're right, the Chinese operating rods vary as to the connector notch. This receiver was made at State Arsenal 356 Yunnan Province, People's Republic of China before September, 1994. It's quite possible this receiver was exported as a stripped receiver. HTH

Please post further information as you wish.
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clark, what you have is uncommon but there are a few Chinese Norinco receivers out there that were imported into the United States as you describe. I believe you're referring to the operating rod instead of the bolt. You're right, the Chinese operating rods vary as to the connector notch. This receiver was made at State Arsenal 356 Yunnan Province, People's Republic of China before September, 1994. It's quite possible this receiver was exported as a stripped receiver. HTH

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Thanks for the info, I'll post the pics as soon as I can. Sorry yes I meant the op rod not the bolt. (my parents were cousins, not my fault)

It also is accurate as hell unlike some of the other chicoms I have fired/heard of?

By the way how or what lead you to know(impressed, I had no clue where it was made) (State Arsenal 356 Yunnan Province, People's Republic of China before September, 1994) What gave it away.

thanks again
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Old 10-25-2005, 01:20 AM   #51
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AFAIK, a few Chinese receivers are the only completedM14 receivers without a model number stamped on them. The Chinese receivers were made at State Arsenal 356.

I have two sources for knowing about State Arsenal 356. 1) Documentation from Keng's Firearms Specialty provided by Smith Enterprise, Inc. and 2) Other Source # 12 who has been to State Arsenal 356 more than once and who observed the nearly 100,000 full auto M14 rifles that were made for revolutionary export by the same factory back in the late 1960s. Other Source # 12 wishes not to be identified but we gun owners in the United States have great benefit because of him. He remains an unsung hero.
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Old 10-29-2005, 12:14 PM   #52
 
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Heres those pics as stated. You will notice the 6 digit serial number looks more like a date (9 66 xx ) Wierd?

Then as I mentioned the heel (what I call heel just behind the rear sights) is a squared off area, its quite obvious in person but I tried to get as good a pic as I could with my crappy camera. What would have this said or going to say?

The bolt has the typical chicom vibra etching nothing special there?


Thanks again

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mrclark, thanks for the photos. They came out a lot better than what I could do. Of course, that's not hard to do.

The flat area immediately behind the rear sight is normal on all M14 type rifles. There are some exceptions (none Chinese AFAIK though) but almost always the flat area has no markings.

The numbers under the stock line on the left side of the receiver are consistent with other "mystery number" Norinco receivers. I refer to reports and photographs from other owners. The under-the-stock line numbers are in three groups totaling five digits usually. These "mystery number" receivers were likely some of the last Chinese M14s imported by Century Arms International into the US. I write this because KFS and CJA/IDE were consistent in having markings above the stock line on the recievers they imported. We know that some Century Arms receivers have a "C" prefix serial number on the left side of the receiver with the rest of the import markings on the barrel. CAI also imported stripped receivers. HTH
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Old 10-29-2005, 06:40 PM   #54
 
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mrclark, thanks for the photos. They came out a lot better than what I could do. Of course, that's not hard to do.

The flat area immediately behind the rear sight is normal on all M14 type rifles. There are some exceptions (none Chinese AFAIK though) but almost always the flat area has no markings.

The numbers under the stock line on the left side of the receiver are consistent with other "mystery number" Norinco receivers. I refer to reports and photographs from other owners. The under-the-stock line numbers are in three groups totaling five digits usually. These "mystery number" receivers were likely some of the last Chinese M14s imported by Century Arms International into the US. I write this because KFS and CJA/IDE were consistent in having markings above the stock line on the recievers they imported. We know that some Century Arms receivers have a "C" prefix serial number on the left side of the receiver with the rest of the import markings on the barrel. CAI also imported stripped receivers. HTH

Interesting stuff, I have been trying to ID this thing for years. There is definetly no C anywhere or any marks at all on the barrel.

You were mentioning some or this could have been made for revolutionary export by the same factory back in the late 1960s. So they were making M14's at the same time as the US was during the vietnam conflict? I had no idea. Fascinating.

By revolutionary conflict, who would they have been making these rifles for? Just general world domination or for a specific conflict out of curiousity?

Also if I am to assume correct these rifles were designed to be full auto, would they be of a heavier design than the simple semi's to compensate?

I also heard one story that some of these rifles were captures during the vietnam war and then de Americanised? Ever heard that before or it is BS?

thanks
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USGI M14 (not M14 NM) production ended during the second half of 1964. The 100,000 Chicom M14 rifles had been produced by 1971. So, it's a guess but the Chinese probably made their select fire M14 rifles in the 1960s. These 100,000 select fire M14 rifles were definitely made for revolutionary export. There's no doubt about that. I don't know if you've read my online book but the Chinese government twice attempted to export some of these M14 rifles to the Philippines in 1971 and 1973.

Full auto M14/M1A rifles are the same as the semi-auto M14/M1A models. I know because I have a full auto M1A and a number of semi-auto M1A rifles. The only difference are the select fire components and two machining cuts on the operating rod rail.

I've never heard of a story involving the capture of a Chinese M14 rifle during the Viet Nam war. It doesn't make sense, there were USGI M14 rifles that were captured by the NVA and Viet Cong. We know that because two examples are on display in a museum in Ho Chi Minh City (aka Saigon) today. What is TRUE is that the U. S. Army 10th Special Forces Group TODAY owns two Chinese manufactured SELECT FIRE M14 rifles. This IMPLIES that they are captured weapons. My bet is that they are two of 200 select fire CHINESE M14 rifles that did make it to the New Peoples Army in 1971 in the Philippines but were subsequently captured by Filipino/American forces at some point later. Here's a photo of a NPA fighter with a M14 rifle on March 29, 2004. I don't know if it's USGI or Chicom but it's interesting nonetheless.

[img]http://www.imageseek.com/m1a/gallery/albums/service/040329i148.thumb.jpg[/img]
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Old 11-02-2005, 11:47 PM   #56
 
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Well thanks again for the info, one last thing as this Norc seems not to be your ordinary run of the mill semi, does this increase its value and or collectability?
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Well thanks again for the info, one last thing as this Norc seems not to be your ordinary run of the mill semi, does this increase its value and or collectability?
Personally, I don't think it adds or subtracts to its value. Of course, a gun show commando could probably spin a good tale for you and get you a little more. "Hey, this is an 'unmarked' rifle used by one of our black ops units down in Central America when Reagan was in office, blah, blah, blah."
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Old 11-03-2005, 11:02 AM   #58
 
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sorry not to continue jacking this thread but this gun was originally for sale by the worse gun show commando I know then sold it to another where I later bought it.

He originally was advertising the gun just as you said?

"Look at this, no markings at all this was a desanitised(Lysol?) CIA rifle used in Vietnam by the air america folks"

Very rare, asking price $3000

This guy was and still is a well not to be rude but a SUPREME MORON.

I later bought it for around $500 with two mags from someone else and it shoots great.


Thanks again for all your help, My and I brothers in the CIA thank you.

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Old 12-17-2005, 07:54 AM   #59
 
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Left side reciever below elevation knob

M14S .308
IDE USA SFLD MICH Made In
POLYTECH CHINA 203xx China
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