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Old 01-07-2005, 08:26 AM   #1
 
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WW Winchester-Western marked stock serial numbered stock

Anyone know what this stock is? What does the serial number indicate? The SN# on the stock is in the buttplate area under the trap door:
W-W
11010283
Here's the link: http://www.wowway.com/~88/Dscn1619.jpg


Any help is greatly appreciated!
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Old 01-07-2005, 09:42 PM   #2
 
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It may be more likely a DoD stock number, as only 1.4 million M14s were made.
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Old 01-08-2005, 04:48 AM   #3
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I've been told the numbers on the W-W M14 stocks were date codes. FWIW
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Old 01-08-2005, 01:42 PM   #4
 
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I bought one of these stocks at a local surplus store for $30. I asked about the markings in another forum and was told that the consensus is that winchester made these stocks for the military but not all of them were put on rifles, and that was why some of them did not have a proof stamp, only the markings under the buttplate. I would love some authentication on this or further information.
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I bought one of these stocks at a local surplus store for $30. I asked about the markings in another forum and was told that the consensus is that winchester made these stocks for the military but not all of them were put on rifles, and that was why some of them did not have a proof stamp, only the markings under the buttplate. I would love some authentication on this or further information.
Replacement stocks usually don't have the proof "circle P" because that was placed on the stock when it was shot with a proof test round. Replacement stocks also did not usually have the DOD cartouche although replacement stocks from Springfield Armory, Inc. did. I agree, the numbers are not stamped on all Winchester wood M14 stocks. W-W wood stocks with numbers stamped into the butt end could very well be replacement stocks. It makes sense. The fact that those numbers are a date code is from a very credible source though.
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Replacement stocks usually don't have the proof "circle P" because that was placed on the stock when it was shot with a proof test round. Replacement stocks also did not usually have the DOD cartouche although replacement stocks from Springfield Armory, Inc. did. I agree, the numbers are not stamped on all Winchester wood M14 stocks. W-W wood stocks with numbers stamped into the butt end could very well be replacement stocks. It makes sense. The fact that those numbers are a date code is from a very credible source though.[/quote]

I like the fact that those numbers are a date code (as I'm looking at the stamp it certainly looks more like a date code than a FSN or NSN, any idea how to interpret them?) Also when I bought my stock I looked everywhere for any markings and only found the W-W and the date code right below it. I'll try to post a picture later if it will help. Maybe we can compare similarities
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Old 01-08-2005, 04:09 PM   #7
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One of the gentlemen I interviewed for the book knows how to interpret the date code but he did not share that with me. I suspect part of it is based on the Julian date code. The military used that when I was serving. Each date is numbered sequentially from 001 to 365. The first digit is the year. So, 1032 would be February 01, 2001. That's how I remember it anyway. That explains four of the eight digits, maybe.
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Old 01-08-2005, 04:24 PM   #8
 
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Mine is 11010263, but in the picture shown in the link, the 8 may be a 6 so the number might be the same; it is hard to tell.
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Old 01-08-2005, 06:19 PM   #9
 
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Thats the way I remember the julian date system. By the way Different, I'd like to buy a copy of your book, should I just go to your website?
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Old 01-08-2005, 08:15 PM   #10
 
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Here is the picture of mine:

[img]http://www.the-ozone.com/album/Pictures/Stock_WWi.jpg[/img]

It's the one on the left:
[img]http://www.the-ozone.com/album/Pictures/3_riflesbi.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.the-ozone.com/album/Pictures/WW_Stock_LTi.jpg[/img]

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Old 01-08-2005, 10:11 PM   #11
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Hmmmm, a lot of stocks were made on that same date coincidentally. Okay, hopefully some other W-W stock owners will chime in with their stock markings.

divkat, the book is not published yet. I'll keep you posted. FYI, since American Backyard asked first, this board will be the first board to get autographed copies of the book M14 Rifle History and Development.
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Different, I want to make sure I get a copy of the book. If it is anything like your website or commentary on various websites, I' ll find it useful. I'm going to try and post a picture of my stock- [img]C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\edited m14 picture (winchester stock).tif[/img]


Okay , I have no idea how to post this picture-
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Old 01-09-2005, 06:17 AM   #13
 
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Okay , I have no idea how to post this picture-
divkat, you can email it to me and I'll host/post it for you.

azski

PS: Different, I'll be wanting a signed first edition copy too when they come out!
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Old 01-09-2005, 10:47 AM   #14
 
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What are the chances that three random stocks would be made on the same day? I thing I will play those numbers in the lottery.
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Old 01-09-2005, 11:07 AM   #15
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Okay, I think I have it figured out. Go to Duff's book page 27. This is the section where he lists the drawing numbers for the M14 parts. I quote:

Stock, Subassembly (standard wood) 7790810
Stock, Subassembly (standard plastic) 11686427
Stock, Subassembly (National Match) 11010262

End quote.

I'd be willing to wager a six-pack of cold brewskis that 11010263 is the drawing number for a wood M14 stock.

Also, I checked one of the Army Technical Manuals on the M14. It lists drawing number 7790702 for a M14 stock. Apparently, they were several engineering drawings for the M14 stock.
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Old 01-09-2005, 06:42 PM   #16
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My two are 11010263. So I would say that it is a drawing number. They look identical to the one in Azski's pic.

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Old 01-10-2005, 04:24 PM   #17
 
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Hosted & posted for divkat:

[img]http://www.the-ozone.com/album/Pictures/ww_stockii.jpg[/img]

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Old 01-10-2005, 06:15 PM   #18
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Okay, I think I have it figured out. Go to Duff's book page 27. This is the section where he lists the drawing numbers for the M14 parts. I quote:

Stock, Subassembly (standard wood) 7790810
Stock, Subassembly (standard plastic) 11686427
Stock, Subassembly (National Match) 11010262

End quote.

I'd be willing to wager a six-pack of cold brewskis that 11010263 is the drawing number for a wood M14 stock.

Also, I checked one of the Army Technical Manuals on the M14. It lists drawing number 7790702 for a M14 stock. Apparently, they were several engineering drawings for the M14 stock.
Could it be that the replacement stocks had a seperate drawing number than original stocks? I noticed that in TM 9-1005-223-12 on page 33 that they drawing number 7790702 is for the stock with butplate assembly. Could the drawing numbers also be different depending on whether or not they came with metal hardware or not?
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Old 01-10-2005, 06:41 PM   #19
 
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Thanks Azski, I really love that rifle. Any tips from anyone on bringing the figure out a little more? Right now it has about 4 handrubbed coats of tung oil.
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Old 01-10-2005, 06:41 PM   #20
 
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The stock itself is different in that is is heavier than your average birch stock.
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