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Snake45 05-13-2015 03:50 PM

What's the Deal with These Clip Pouches?
 
I've never seen these before. Has anyone? Were they ever actually used, or are they some sort of experimental gear?

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e4...psjl1twd0b.jpg

CaptainGyro 05-14-2015 03:49 AM

My guess would be that they're some other kind of pouch that's been re-purposed, as GI's will do when they find something that works better than the original (one of which appears to be on the far left.) They appear not to have the same uniform color as a typical belt pouch, and I don't think any mag pouches were designed to stuff two or more mags into the same sleeve.

Another curious thing about this leg bag is the fact that a guy who's carrying an M1 into the battle is carrying no .30 ammo, but a whole boatload of 1911 mags.

Also, what is the set of six tubular objects on the far left...a collapsed Bangalore torpedo perhaps? They look too big to be flares, but I guess smoke is another possibility.

t-star 05-14-2015 07:42 AM

also notice the extended magazine in the 1911- while the "rig" is that of a paratroop, radio operator, ( I had a similar 12 rounder in nam) the belt tells us that the 45 was his primary- it is indeed a "funny lookin" set up, with the trench knife and machete- e may well be looking at an early foo para-the rifle may be incidental or used for pseudo - sniping,( ie targets too small to call in the big boys)and I think those are smoke- the Bangalore was about the size of an early bazooka- ie a 3 inch tube- -notice we're not looking at 6 smoke or flares, or whatever, but 5 and a discharger- that's the funny one with the fins - also that would be a reason for the garand- ie the cup fits over the muzzel in a fashion similar to the rifle grenade discharger-. my belt was something similar, but I had some 9, 2 mag pouches left over from ww1( these were back in stores and better than nothing- the toe was 1- 2 mag pouch green- a Camillus mk3 model 0, a 45 1911 with 12 round mag. a couple of canteens and that was it- there may also be a ruc that isn't shown
those packages above the spoon and butter knife may be blanks for accomplishing that feat- they're about the right size, and you wouldn't want those in clips in this situation-

csmkersh 05-14-2015 08:28 AM

Speaking of the spoon and butter knife, where's his P38?

bearcat6 05-14-2015 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by csmkersh (Post 541406)
Speaking of the spoon and butter knife, where's his P38?

P38 came with C-Rats. At that time they may have still been eating the Ks. We used to Keep a P38 on our dogtag chain, as I'm sure you probably did.

t-star 05-14-2015 09:11 AM

what was the procedure for loading for loading the garand for rifle grenades?-anyone know?

bearcat6 05-14-2015 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by t-star (Post 541408)
what was the procedure for loading for loading the garand for rifle grenades?-anyone know?

You single loaded a special crimped grenade round.

Kevin Gibson 05-14-2015 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snake45 (Post 541400)
I've never seen these before. Has anyone? Were they ever actually used, or are they some sort of experimental gear?

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e4...psjl1twd0b.jpg

I have never seen that clip belt. Love to see one up close. In some ways looks better than the standard one, but in some ways I can see where it wasn't so good. Maybe it was something the tried and didn't like.

Snake45 05-14-2015 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptainGyro (Post 541404)
Another curious thing about this leg bag is the fact that a guy who's carrying an M1 into the battle is carrying no .30 ammo, but a whole boatload of 1911 mags.

What? The belt has 5 pouches each holding 5 M1 clips. That's 200 rounds--not a half-bad combat load of full-powered 06. :shock:

Snake45 05-14-2015 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by t-star (Post 541405)
also notice the extended magazine in the 1911-

I don't think it's an extended mag, my interpretation is that it's just half-out. :dunno:

CaptainGyro 05-14-2015 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snake45 (Post 541412)
What? The belt has 5 pouches each holding 5 M1 clips. That's 200 rounds--not a half-bad combat load of full-powered 06. :shock:

OK, I see it now. To me the rounds in those clips looked like 1911 mags standing on edge, two per slot. I had to stare at it for a while before I made out the clips.

I feel better. The universe is once again in harmony.

shep854 05-14-2015 06:10 PM

When I saw 'clip pouches' in the thread title, I thought that somebody was going to get roasted...then I remembered the US Rifle, M1. :p

WaltGraham 05-14-2015 06:53 PM

What do you reckon that loadout weighed - 75 pounds ?

Charlie Petty 05-14-2015 08:41 PM

There are some things that just don't compute:

where is the scabbard for the bayonet?
isn't that a Springfield bayonet?
machete?
if those are rifle grenades, where's the launcher?
couldn't those be flares?
were there any extended 1911 mags in general use?
more likely standard mag just not locked in

CaptainGyro 05-15-2015 06:43 AM

This guy seems to have a pretty good explanation for the items in the photo. He thinks the clip pouches were field-made:

US Paratrooper Loadout WWII | laststandonzombieisland

Can't say much for his math skills.

bearcat6 05-15-2015 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptainGyro (Post 541419)
This guy seems to have a pretty good explanation for the items in the photo. He thinks the clip pouches were field-made:

US Paratrooper Loadout WWII | laststandonzombieisland

Can't say much for his math skills.

That was my first reaction, that they were what was called "Rigger made". Here's a link.
https://www.google.com/search?q=rigg...J&ved=0CDAQ7Ak

CaptainGyro 05-16-2015 05:23 AM

You know, now that the term "rigger-made" has been brought into the conversation, it makes sense that an airborne unit, whose riggers have access to industrial grade sewing machines, fabrics, high-strength threads and tapes, grommets, fasteners, etc., would come up with some inventive doodads.

shep854 05-16-2015 05:58 AM

I don't think every paratrooper was issued a pistol, though. I also wouldn't be surprised if some of that gear wasn't swapped out for more ammo or rations

Snake45 05-16-2015 06:25 AM

According to one of the links above, this seems to have been for a Pacific parachute outfit, so the machete makes sense.

shep854 05-16-2015 06:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snake45 (Post 541431)
According to one of the links above, this seems to have been for a Pacific parachute outfit, so the machete makes sense.

Ah. That thought crossed my mind, or that it was a generic layout, showing the possibilities, with some of the gear shared among a team.


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