unissued 1943 garand

RandyBowers · 03-06-2015, 11:07 AM

Picked up a 1943 M1 that appers to be unissued and has no markings on the stock, it's a SA. did all GI M1's have stamped stocks ?

bearcat6 · 03-06-2015, 11:13 AM

Yes.

stand watie · 03-06-2015, 02:39 PM

bearcat6,

Truly I hate to disagree BUT while OCONUS I've seen several Garands that had replacement stocks fitted that were UNMARKED, including one of my as RE-issued/rebuilt Danish Garands that came from CMP to me several years ago.

RMA (for one USA arsenal) was "notorious" for NOT marking stocks, in the rush to issue rifles to the troops.

yours, sw

bearcat6 · 03-06-2015, 02:51 PM

I stand corrected, but I believe a 1943 SA would more than likely have a cartouche. It should at least have a P proof on it.

stand watie · 03-06-2015, 03:28 PM

bearcat6,

I agree 100% that the stock SHOULD be marked BUT some were NOT.

yours, sw

musketjon · 03-10-2015, 12:17 PM

Not to burst your bubble, but, not only was your rifle issued somewhere along its life, it's also been through at least one rebuild. The rear sight knobs on it were not around in 1943. It (the sight knobs) wasn't approved until 1945 and they really didn't start showing up until about 1947. Your rifle may be un issued SINCE REBUILD, but it isn't un issued in the sense that you're hoping for.
Also, from the pictures, it looks like you have a flat-sided op rod. Also incorrect for '43 production as the flat-side didn't come into being until early '45.
Just for curiosity sake, what is the barrel date?
Jon

stand watie · 03-10-2015, 03:02 PM

RandyBowers, musketjon,

Randy,

musketjon is 100% CORRECT. = After much research about 2 decades ago, I've found a TOTAL of FOUR that can be documented as "new & unfired" Garands, anywhere.

2 in military museums, one at the Smithsonian & one that "taken off the line" & was given to the Chief Engineer at SA as a retirement gift.
(The Engineer's Garand is willed to the USASWM, upon the death of his daughter BUT it has been fired/hunted with.)

As some EOF here know, when I was once a staff-docent at USAMPM at Ft McClellan, we looked for a NEW Garand for the WWII MP display & found NONE. - We settled for an arsenal rebuild that is just: PURTY.
(Take any claims of "new & unfired" with a ton of salt.)

yours, sw

shadowdiver · 03-11-2015, 07:03 AM

I know that at one time the CMP had TWO unissued M1 Garand's that were consecutive serial numbered, they were asking more than what my house was worth at the time.

03-06-2015, 11:07 AM	#1
RandyBowers Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Davis, CA Posts: 3	1943 Garand question Picked up a 1943 M1 that appers to be unissued and has no markings on the stock, it's a SA. did all GI M1's have stamped stocks ?

03-10-2015, 12:17 PM	#6
musketjon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: So Cal Posts: 352	Not to burst your bubble, but, not only was your rifle issued somewhere along its life, it's also been through at least one rebuild. The rear sight knobs on it were not around in 1943. It (the sight knobs) wasn't approved until 1945 and they really didn't start showing up until about 1947. Your rifle may be un issued SINCE REBUILD, but it isn't un issued in the sense that you're hoping for. Also, from the pictures, it looks like you have a flat-sided op rod. Also incorrect for '43 production as the flat-side didn't come into being until early '45. Just for curiosity sake, what is the barrel date? Jon Last edited by musketjon; 03-10-2015 at 12:24 PM.

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03-06-2015, 11:13 AM	#2
bearcat6 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,983	Yes.

03-06-2015, 02:39 PM	#3
stand watie Banned Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 3,882	bearcat6, Truly I hate to disagree BUT while OCONUS I've seen several Garands that had replacement stocks fitted that were UNMARKED, including one of my as RE-issued/rebuilt Danish Garands that came from CMP to me several years ago. RMA (for one USA arsenal) was "notorious" for NOT marking stocks, in the rush to issue rifles to the troops. yours, sw

03-06-2015, 02:51 PM	#4
bearcat6 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,983	I stand corrected, but I believe a 1943 SA would more than likely have a cartouche. It should at least have a P proof on it.

03-06-2015, 03:28 PM	#5
stand watie Banned Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 3,882	bearcat6, I agree 100% that the stock SHOULD be marked BUT some were NOT. yours, sw

03-10-2015, 03:02 PM	#7
stand watie Banned Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 3,882	RandyBowers, musketjon, Randy, musketjon is 100% CORRECT. = After much research about 2 decades ago, I've found a TOTAL of FOUR that can be documented as "new & unfired" Garands, anywhere. 2 in military museums, one at the Smithsonian & one that "taken off the line" & was given to the Chief Engineer at SA as a retirement gift. (The Engineer's Garand is willed to the USASWM, upon the death of his daughter BUT it has been fired/hunted with.) As some EOF here know, when I was once a staff-docent at USAMPM at Ft McClellan, we looked for a NEW Garand for the WWII MP display & found NONE. - We settled for an arsenal rebuild that is just: PURTY. (Take any claims of "new & unfired" with a ton of salt.) yours, sw

03-11-2015, 07:03 AM	#8
shadowdiver Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pasadena, MD Posts: 615	I know that at one time the CMP had TWO unissued M1 Garand's that were consecutive serial numbered, they were asking more than what my house was worth at the time.