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IrishCop 04-27-2013 01:14 PM

Just Sent Away for a CMP Garand
 
Couldn't stand it any longer. Finally filled out the form, dug out copies of my birth certificate and stuff and ordered a CMP Special - Original receiver, new barrel and wood.

Now I have to wait 30-60 days. And I SUCK at waiting. :mad:

And I have also noticed that even .30-06 ammo is in short supply. I found a couple boxes of Remington 165 grain Core Lock, which I don't think is too hot for the Garand action. I have heard that some of the more modern high performance stuff might bend an op rod or raise other havoc. Any truth to this?

phantom4570 04-27-2013 02:36 PM

Yes!
The M1 was designed for a burn rate between 3031 and 4064 and bullets from 147g to 174g in match ammo. Slower burn rates allow high pressure at the gas port which can damage the rifle. This is an engineering limitation of most gas operated rifles.

That being said. Keep in mind that Remington doesn't want their own ammo to blow up their own consumer grade semiauto hunting rifles. Chances are that 165g CoreLokt is OK an in M1.

Does anyone know if the 142g bullets from pull down Nato 7.62x51 cause any mischief in an M1?

Here's something similar regarding the M1A: https://gunhub.com/m14/58459-m1a-help.html#post526864

FOBC 04-27-2013 06:06 PM

garand ammo
 
I PERSONALLY wouldnt shoot any hunting ammo through my garand i either reload my own to specs or shoot the military surplus ammo to much pressure youll bend the op rod not a cheap fix i wouldnt say all hunting ammo is bad some might be ok but why take the chance

Luigi 04-27-2013 06:28 PM

The CMP has 200rds bulk loose Greek Surplus cheap. Order some.
I reload with IMR4895 for both my Garands and M1A.

stand watie 04-27-2013 08:09 PM

IrishCop,

ANY of the STANDARD VELOCITY 150-165 grain factory loads from Federal, Remington or W-W rounds are FINE for hunting with Garands. - The HOT rounds & 170+ grain loads are NOT liked by Garands.
(I've shot literally THOUSANDS of rounds through my "sporterized Garand deer rifle", which has a flat black "depot rebuilt" 1942 SA barreled action by RRAD, Monte Carlo LH stock, a forward mounted B&L 4x scope and some "trigger work", with nary a problem.)

yours, sw

Charlie Petty 04-27-2013 08:29 PM

I don't think the pulled bullets would be a problem. A middle of the road with either 4895 or Varget should be fine.

IrishCop 04-28-2013 07:16 AM

Thanks to all for the advice. I saw the Greek ammo on the CMP web site. I think I will probably pop for an order of those.

I still haven't gotten around to getting set up for reloading. Haven't really got a decent reason. Guess I'll have to bite the bullet (sorry) sooner or later.

Charlie Petty 04-28-2013 07:45 AM

Sadly this is not the time to try to start reloading. The ongoing panic has caused ALL components to disappear.

IrishCop 04-28-2013 08:20 AM

Yeah Charlie, I have heard that from guys I know that do reload. And as with ammo, supply and demand...heard that even primers (if you can find them) are outrageous.

That's what I get for procrastinating.

But I plan to keep my eyes open...maybe buy stuff piecemeal if available and not downright robbery. Heck, I need EVERYTHING. So a press, dies, shell holders, etc. A little here, a little there...maybe by the time I get all of the hardware the components will be available again...maybe.

Luigi 04-29-2013 12:11 PM

Phantom,

I have used several hundred pulled 150gn FMJ's ( from some Indian 7.62x51) in reloading for my garands. No problems. Don't have any info on 142gn?

If it was only a 2 hr drive from Anniston, I would be in the poor house by now!

IrishCop 09-17-2013 06:41 AM

After almost five months of waiting, my M1 from the CMP is being delivered today. :D

Took the day off so I could be sure to be here when FedEx pulls up...you have to sign for it.

The CMP was deluged with orders...the original wait time was 60 to 90 days. It is now at least 90 to 180. That is for the RM1 Special...a Springfield receiver with new Criterion barrel, new wood and the rest refurbished GI parts.

The shipment notice gave me the serial number. The receiver was manufactured in December 1943.

You guys ever see the Married With Children episode where Peg tells Al she ordered him a pizza (she didn't) and he stands in front of the door looking out the window, hopping from one foot to the other? Well, that's me. Feel like a kid waiting for Santa Claus. ;)

bearcat6 09-17-2013 07:04 AM

Congrulations Terry, you will love it to death. Well worth waiting for.

shep854 09-17-2013 07:24 AM

Garands are also great workout tools; the Marines make 'M1 calisthenics' an art form!

I have one (a Korean return), but am leery of shooting commercial ammo myself.
This site is informative; discussion welcome:
Shooting Commercial Ammunition in your M1 Garand
The pressure graphs was enlightening. The conclusion was that most commercial ammo was safe for a stock M1

That 'ported gas screw' sounds reasonable, if only for peace of mind.

IrishCop 09-17-2013 09:35 AM

Thanks, Bearcat.

Shep, I saw that ported gas screw, too. Stumbled on that site a ways back. The graphs were very interesting.

I'm wondering if it would be a worthwhile investment. :duh:

Charlie Petty 09-17-2013 06:03 PM

If you stick to GI equivalent loads it isn't necessary. I always used the lights load that gave reliable function with 4895... usually a couple of grains below max

dfariswheel 09-17-2013 06:47 PM

If you stick to USGI specification powders and no bullets heaver then 173 grain, you're okay, but since you have no way of knowing what commercial ammo is loaded with for powder, a Schuster Gas Nut is a good investment.

That way, you can shoot most any good hunting ammo without worries of damage.
This can be a big saver if you luck onto some ammo on sale or need to use something you don't know for sure what it's loaded with.
It's easy to pull out the GI gas nut and install the Schuster for commercial ammo, and put the GI nut back in for known M1-safe ammo.

And last, remember: In the M1 Rifle GREASE is the correct lubricant. Oil is used to prevent rust, but the parts are to be greased to lubricate.

If you want the original, Brownell's still sell USGI spec Lubriplate 120A grease which was the original GI specified grease for the M1.
Or, really any heat and water resistant grease will work fine. A tube of Lithium grease from a hardware store or Walmart will work great.

Another M1 and M1A pointer: Grease the hammer and especially trigger pins. Grease will work better then oil and will help prevent bent, galled, or broken pins.

IrishCop 09-17-2013 07:23 PM

Thanks Charlie and DFariswheel. I have 200 rds of Greek M2 ball, and don't plan to use this for anything but recreational shooting...and maybe holding while I watch "Band of Brothers". :0)

I was only thinking about that vented gas port should it continue to be difficult to find commercial ammo on a regular basis as I still don't reload.

I used to have a small tube of Lubriplate about a decade ago. Nice to know it's still avaiable.

IrishCop 09-17-2013 07:23 PM

Oops

shep854 09-17-2013 07:46 PM

For some (maybe many), OTS .30-'06 is about all that's practical; that's why caution and all the questions. :)

Ratfink2u 09-17-2013 07:47 PM

Congrats on that fine choice in American battle rifles! I think I have a bag of clean brass somewhere if your interested....just let me know

IrishCop 09-18-2013 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by shep854 (Post 532997)
For some (maybe many), OTS .30-'06 is about all that's practical; that's why caution and all the questions. :)

Yeah Pete. I understand. That's why I asked you guys here. I try to go where I know I can trust the sources. ;)

IrishCop 09-18-2013 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Ratfink2u (Post 532998)
Congrats on that fine choice in American battle rifles! I think I have a bag of clean brass somewhere if your interested....just let me know

Appreciate that Rat. Like most of my generation, I grew up on WWII movies, TV shows and comics. Always had a fascination for the weapons of that era.
So I now have an Inland M1 (receiver and barrel anyway) carbine that is a shooter to me, an M1 rifle, and a Colt 1991A1 that's almost sorta like a WWII 1911. I wont ever get a Luger unless I win the lottery. Or a Thompson. :-?

Hang on to your brass. I'll have some once fired shortly. I just don't have a reloading setup yet. Thanks for the offer though. :)

Ratfink2u 09-18-2013 01:23 PM

yeah, I hear ya...Combat was the show that started my fascination with the Thompson and the Garand....I recently bought a M1 Carbine but I'm almost embarrassed to say what I paid. Prolly never afford a Thompson. My Department had two in their wooden boxes in their display case from the 1940's. I just traded for a 1954 M1 from a guy who took it apart and couldn't get it back together and gave up. So my collection is pretty much complete....

TommyGunn 09-18-2013 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ratfink2u (Post 533005)
yeah, I hear ya...Combat was the show that started my fascination with the Thompson and the Garand....I recently bought a M1 Carbine but I'm almost embarrassed to say what I paid. Prolly never afford a Thompson. My Department had two in their wooden boxes in their display case from the 1940's. I just traded for a 1954 M1 from a guy who took it apart and couldn't get it back together and gave up. So my collection is pretty much complete....


Hey, that's where I got my interest in the Thompson from as well! Used to love that show as a kid and have it on DVD now and still enjoy it a lot.
Like you I doubt I could ever afford a real working one (the one in my avatar is a dummy Thompson; real parts on a phoney receiver) but I do have an airsoft M1A1 version that does full-auto with those plastic BBs!

Ratfink2U " ...take point!":mrgreen:

Ratfink2u 09-18-2013 06:41 PM

hahahahaha "Come on Sarge, been on point all day"....Haven't seen an episode in years...old Vic Morrow was at his peak on Combat. Sucks the way he died, quick I guess. Loved 12 O'clock high, Rat-Patrol too...
Got to shoot our Thompsons at the grand opening of our new range...very kewl

TommyGunn 09-18-2013 08:17 PM

+1 on 12 O'Clock High & Rat Patrol. BTW Rat Patrol was based on the real-life exploits of the British SAS but was "Americanized" for American viewing!
You might recall 12 O'Clock High was based on a book. In the movie & TV show it was depicted as the 318th Aerial Bombardment Group .... in real life it was the 109th. They just multiplied the # by three. Parts of the movie were filmed in Alabama, where I live! Interesting bits of trivia there.;)

bearcat6 09-18-2013 09:28 PM

12 O' clock high was a great movie. I read they showed it to Curtiss LeMay and told him beforehand that one thing in it was not authentic but he probably wouldn't notice it. After the movie he asked what it was he didn't see anything. They told him it was the engine sounds of the German fighters which the bomber crews couldn't really hear.

Skeptic49 09-19-2013 01:16 AM

My local Gander Mtn has plenty of .30-06 commercial and some somewhat better than last month, priced Federal 62 gr. 5.56. None is inexpensive.
Geoff
Who is contemplating .308 I'm low on rifle rounds.

shep854 09-19-2013 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by bearcat6 (Post 533009)
12 O' clock high was a great movie. I read they showed it to Curtiss LeMay and told him beforehand that one thing in it was not authentic but he probably wouldn't notice it. After the movie he asked what it was he didn't see anything. They told him it was the engine sounds of the German fighters which the bomber crews couldn't really hear.

One other thing was, as I read later was that they "flew more low-level missions than a near-sighted crop duster", since oxygen masks cover up the actor's mugs, and we can't have that, can we? ;)

IrishCop 09-19-2013 10:36 AM

Speaking of WWII TV shows, anybody remember The Gallant Men or one that came out after The Dirty Dozen called Garrison's Gorillas (yeah, they spelled it that way).

Both only ran for a couple of seasons. Garrison's Gorillas had a character they listed as a "switchblade artist". :rolleyes: It did spark my interest in automatic knives, since I was a healthy, inquisitive 12 year old male at the time. ;)

TommyGunn 09-19-2013 07:59 PM

I recall The Gallant Men. It just recently came out on DVD. It follows American troops in the Italian campaign folowing their landing at Salerno. William Reynolds starred in the series, which lasted one season. Reynolds would later play second fiddle to Efrem Zimbalist Jr. in Quinn Martin's The F.B.I.
One critique I read of the series was that it "soft-pedaled" the violence of the Italian campaign, which was hard fought and bitter. The Italians themselves capitulated early but they were allied with the Nazis and they most assuredly DID NOT capitulate -- they had to be driven out. Having seen the series again after 45 years I feel that critique unfair; the war was depicted as being very severe & harsh. Considering that network censors back then would forbid scenes showing too much blood or downplay certain types of violence the producers of TGM did a pretty decent job.
I "sorta" remember Garrison's Gorillas but really don't recall the details. I suppose one could go to Amazon.com and see if it's been released on video too ....
One thing I sorta developed a great distaste for was Hogan's Heroes. As a kid I was somewhat indifferent to it but after I read about what the Third Reich was really about the idea of a sitcom set in a Nazi prison camp just didn't cut it for me. Shame on them anyway.

Skeptic49 09-20-2013 01:48 AM

I remember the Gallant Men, and the other comedy show. I preferred "Navy Log" and "The Silent Service" and Walter Cronkite's "The 20th Century."

Geoff
Who watched too much TV in his youth.

shep854 09-20-2013 04:41 AM

Along these lines, I've been watching "Victory at Sea' on Youtube.

bearcat6 09-20-2013 06:10 AM

Victory at sea was a great series, I used to watch it every Sunday night.

Ratfink2u 09-20-2013 11:19 PM

Wow, so many childhood memories coming back. When TG mentioned Efrem Zimbalist Jr, I thought back to Sunday evenings in front of the tube (color was new) and watching the F.B.I. I bought my dad the 12 o'clock High collection last year only to find out his DVD player is malfunctioning and he won't replace it (tight). So I thought maybe he'd give me the series....it's September and I'm still waiting.
All these shows had a common theme, content. They contained true or at least partially, truths about our heritage and history as a nation. Sadly, most shows today fail to come close to that water-mark. Sad for our youth to miss out on these great stories of valor.

IrishCop 09-21-2013 09:09 AM

Rat, you're absolutely correct. We have been at war for 12 years now, but Hollywood has no idea how to approach this.

Most of the movies that have been made about the military and the Middle East have been anti-military and anti-war.

Zero Dark Thirty, which everyone thought was going to be a pro-Obama love fest, wasn't. It was an engrossing film mostly about the 10 year search, basically headed by one very determined young female intelligence officer, to find OBL. It showed some very stark and I believe realistic depictions of "enhanced interrogation" techniques...the techniques that ultimately led to the information that brought OBL down.

There's even a line in the movie that referenced the White House cutting off their best source of information by stopping those "interrogations".

Nominated for Best Picture and Director, it got nothing. And it was political, because of the subject matter. It certainly deserved the awards.

You have to go to The Military Channel to find any stories about the brave men and women we have fighting over there. You won't find many, if any, stories on the big screen or major networks about them.

TommyGunn 09-21-2013 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by IrishCop (Post 533029)
Rat, you're absolutely correct. We have been at war for 12 years now, but Hollywood has no idea how to approach this.

Most of the movies that have been made about the military and the Middle East have been anti-military and anti-war. .......


I thought the CBS series JAG did a respectful enough job when it picked up the A'stan war theme early in it's 2001 season. Even one of its central characters, Bud Roberts, lost his lower right leg to a landmine trying to save a child at the end of the season.
There were a couple of other shows. Over There was about the war, it only lasted one season if that and while respectful enough it just didn't attract enough viewers. THREAT MATRIX was very much the same dealing with the more clandestine aspects of the war, but it too failed to bring in the audience.

IrishCop 09-22-2013 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TommyGunn (Post 533033)
I thought the CBS series JAG did a respectful enough job when it picked up the A'stan war theme early in it's 2001 season. Even one of its central characters, Bud Roberts, lost his lower right leg to a landmine trying to save a child at the end of the season.
There were a couple of other shows. Over There was about the war, it only lasted one season if that and while respectful enough it just didn't attract enough viewers. THREAT MATRIX was very much the same dealing with the more clandestine aspects of the war, but it too failed to bring in the audience.

Tommy, I confess I never watched JAG, but I am a fan of NCIS. They hit the radical Islamist theme pretty hard for a few years, which was refreshing. They have backed off of that though, in favor of the big baddies being Big Business or rogue government entities the last few seasons. I think it coincides with the departure of Don Bellisario, the series creator and producer. I liked Over There and was sorry to see it cancelled so quickly.

Act of Valor was a pretty good film, and made money. So did Zero Dark Thirty. Kathryn Bigelow's earlier film The Hurt Locker about EOD personnel in the sandbox was pretty good, too. She is a talented film maker. I really think her depiction of water boarding and so forth raised some ire in Hollywood with the rank and file saying that it "defended" torture. I think it took an ambiguous stand at best...it was a major part of the story, it had to be told.

During WWII, Hollywood churned out tons of movies about the war...a different time, I guess. Korea wasn't so popular, and forget about Viet Nam. Just about all of the those movies were made AFTER the war, and most were not very favorable in their depictions of the military.

There is a new movie coming out soon called Lone Survivor, again a Navy SEAL movie, based on a true story. The trailers look good. SEAL's are apparently pretty hot items in Hollywood.

Guess my point is that it seems it is very difficult to get a green light for pro-military projects in Hollywood, even though there is a definite market for them. The only explanation I can think of is that the powers that be, from studio directors on down, just don't like them.

TommyGunn 09-22-2013 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IrishCop (Post 533050)
....Guess my point is that it seems it is very difficult to get a green light for pro-military projects in Hollywood, even though there is a definite market for them. The only explanation I can think of is that the powers that be, from studio directors on down, just don't like them.


Yeah ... I think the Vietnam War really sorta gave the U.S. Military a "black eye." It was very hard to recover from that and maybe we're not even fully recovered.
"The Bridges at Toko Ri" was a very good movie about Korea. There were a few others ... not that many. An amusing aside from my personal history; as kids I recall watching this movie on TV. My sister for some reason piped up "that doesn't look like Korea to me," meaning I suppose it wasn't how she imagined Korea to look. My father, who'd served in the Korean War responded, "it sure looks like it to me." My sister was very quiet after that ... for some reason.:rolleyes:

Oh well....kids. They say the darndest things.

stand watie 09-22-2013 09:27 AM

TommyGunn,

IF the "mainstream press" had been even minimally HONEST about RVN, we "VietNam era GIs" wouldn't have gotten a "black eye". =====> The press, starting in 1965, LIED LIKE RUGS about the war.
(When the TRUTH didn't "make good press", the press LIED & "created stories" out of thin air.)

For example, CBS "News" accused a college friend of mine (an Infantry 1LT, AmeriCal Division) of "war crimes" that allegedly happened TWO YEARS after Jerry was KIA. When his wife provided certified/dated copies of his death certificate, the "news division" accused him of OTHER "war crimes" that allegedly occurred THREE YEARS after his death.
(By law, nobody can libel or slander the dead.)

IF anyone reading this believes ANYTHING claimed by "the mainstream press", without INDEPENDENT PROOF, they are FOOLS imVho.

yours, sw


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