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Old 01-27-2007, 11:50 AM   #1
 
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Help me with matching my birch stock to my handguards

I have a pretty decent birch stock with DAS that I'd like to match up to some new birch handguards. The stock is clean on the surface but has some kind of dirt ground in or something else that is discoloring the stock. How can I lighten the stock back to the original birch color? I bought some wood bleach (oxalic acid) but I've never used it before. Should I try the wood bleach or is there a better way to bring back the original color?

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Old 01-27-2007, 12:30 PM   #2
 
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I personally like the looks of your birch stock. It looks like many I have seen. My suggestion would be to leave the stock as is, and discolor the hand guards to match the stock. Just my 2 cents.
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Old 01-27-2007, 12:52 PM   #3
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Where did you get the upper and lower birch handguards. I need a set for a Greek Beechwood stock I'm working on.

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Old 01-27-2007, 01:01 PM   #4
 
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Are you sure those HG's are birch?Look a lot like Korean Chu wood ...Perhaps bought from Red Cloud?.....They will work but are not birch......(I have a set too)......?
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Old 01-27-2007, 02:27 PM   #5
 
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It wouldn't surprise me if the handguards weren't birch. I followed a link from somebody here that got some and said they were birch. They came from ebay. I think they may work well enough though. Is there anyplace that I can buy genuine birch handguards.

383, I actually have a set of beechwood handguards that I'm not going to use. They look good overall but they would require some fitting and there is a small knot hole in the front HG that has been filled with wood putty. Do you have anything to trade? I am in need of some beat up looking walnut HG's.
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Old 01-27-2007, 04:07 PM   #6
 
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Koreran wood

I hate to say it, but those Handguards do appear to be Korean. Northridge and MB Enterprises are selling these things as USGI. They are not. Northridge even has the original Korean boxes, so there is no doubt.
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Old 01-27-2007, 06:31 PM   #7
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You may be able to use the Chu wood guards , I've worked with them and they will suck in the wood stain like a sponge. That may be OK if you are trying to make the Birch stock look more like a Walnut one.
As fate would have it I have just gotten a Birch stock from Doug's stockpile and at the risk of highjacking your post I would like to show you a way you can alter your stock & handguards to a different color. I jumped the gun on the stock and after the dishwasher treatment I just sanded it with 100 grit sander and stained it with the dark Minwax wood sheen stain, then I decided I didn't like the way it looked (to many gouges/and sploches) usually it takes me a few months to redo an already done one. Started with 60 grit sandpaper then use the 100 grit. Never sand in the floorplate or the backporch area of the stock and ducktape any cartouches that you don't want to remove.
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Old 01-27-2007, 06:46 PM   #8
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More Pictures of the Birch Dye job!

No not done yet but some more views of the Birch project. When I get the wood smooth enough I then put on the Minwax Wood-Sheen rubbing oil stain & finish, The picture shows how dramatic the effect is with Rosewood stain. On the Chu wood and walnut it might be to purple for some tastes. The other wood sheen I use sometimes is Plantation Walnut but it is super DARK and will cover up woodgrian and sploches on porus wood.
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Old 01-27-2007, 06:54 PM   #9
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Oh one more picture.

I got a bit ahead of myself on the picture posting , one more picture of the stock after the 100 grit sanding. Just before the stain wipe down. Birch is so dense it dosn't take staining very well unlike Walnut or the Korean Chu wood but with a little experimentation one can match these woods up, if you don't like it go back to the sander and start over. Have fun.
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Old 01-27-2007, 07:27 PM   #10
 
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Thanks Shotshooter

I think I'm going to just use your method on the Chu HG's with a different non-cartouched birch stock.

I'll just have to keep looking around for some good birch HG's for this stock.

Any other ideas on how to remove the discoloration? I'm trying to get it back to just clean, bare wood.
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Old 01-28-2007, 05:47 AM   #11
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Is your stock pretty fat? First you can wash it with the bleach and then put it in the dish washer with dish washing soap, let it dry. Then go to the sander, start with the course sandpaper and you will get down to the good wood in short order, when you are comfortable with the wood showing go over it with the finer sandpaper. Just remember the areas to avoid with the sander are the trigger lock up area (floorplate) cartouches, reciever heal area,and top were reciever rest also the butt plate mounting area. I put the butt plate on while I'm sanding it just wrap duct tape around the edges and use it as a guide while sanding. On these fat post WWII stocks you can take quite abit of wood off the forearm and sides of the stock with out hurting anything. The bleach may not get all the toxic spills out of your wood, but the stain may cover them up pretty well.
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Old 01-29-2007, 01:09 AM   #12
 
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I got two sets of those same handguards a couple of months ago. Here is what they looked like with just BLO.
I don't think they are birch either.
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Old 01-29-2007, 09:07 AM   #13
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Birch stock made to look like Walnut

For those of you that have been following the pictures of the stripping and sanding of the $32.50 Birch stock heres the latest . I added some Chestnut Ridge Dark Walnut stain to add the hint of red then applied the Tru-oil to protect the finish. my handguard is still a little bit darker, I may have to sand it down and redo it, I believe it looks lighter under its stain. Or rob one off one of the others. The stock turned out great tho , 100% better then it looked at first.
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Old 03-02-2007, 09:26 PM   #14
 
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Well, here's my first staining attempt

This is my first attempt at stock refinishing. I started with the Chu handguards and a $10 birch stock from Doug. (This was a beater I had not the one with DAS from above.)

This is what the stock looked like after a couple applications of wood bleach. I know I really didn't need to do the bleaching since I was planning on staining it but I was kinda curious what the bleach would do so I tried it. It did a pretty good job of lightening the wood but you could still see the pounded in dirt from clip packing.
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Chu handguards.
[img]http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k175/thisismyboomstick/Rifles/Stocks/Birchrefinish005.jpg[/img]

This is after the Minwax wood sheen rubbing oil stain & finish that Shotshooter suggested. I used the rosewood color.
[img]http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k175/thisismyboomstick/Rifles/Stocks/Birchrefinish006.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k175/thisismyboomstick/Rifles/Stocks/Birchrefinish008.jpg[/img]

If I didn't know any better by looking at the photos I would swear that was a walnut stock set. It's not the prettiest thing in the world but it wasn't very pretty to begin with. Now I think I'll start on the birch stock with DAS. I'm going to hit it with some acetone and do some sanding to see if I can hunt down some striping in this one.
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Old 03-03-2007, 05:29 AM   #15
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It looks like the Chu matches up pretty good from the pictures of the two togeather. I had planned to sell off the stock that I refinnised but I discovered that it gripped a rifle so tightly that I just couldn't sell it. That is the most important thing about these stocks anyway isn't it. If you can take the trigger group out and turn the rifle upside down and the barrel /reciever group dosen't begin to fall out ,you've got a keeper. And it goes along way too in the search to make an accurate shooting M1.
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Old 03-03-2007, 09:32 AM   #16
 
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That is exactly how this stock is. The reciever fits TIGHT. The only problem is that it needs shims for a good TG lock up. Maybe I could try peening the TG lugs.
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