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Old 12-16-2006, 06:53 PM   #1
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North Store 12-16-06

Showed up today hoping for just a Winnie receiver, or if I hit the lotto, maybe an IHC. Ended up picking out a nice HRA barrelled action with an HRA barrel. Late 55 receiver, January 56 barrel with 1.5ME. They had several more just like it, including one with a late Springfield barrel with 0 ME.
This was the first time I used a Muzzle Erosion gauge on ALL of the Rack grades and didn't find a single one that wouldn't SWALLOW the whole daggone gauge to the base. Talk about trashed barrels, they ALL had them.
One of the nice CMP gents asked me to look at the $900 and $1400 "Correct" grades, so I did. Since I shoot my Garands after I "build" them with parts as correct as I can make them, when I have the time, I just put the "Correct" grades back down and left with my barrelled action. Maybe it is just me, but the current "Correct" grades looked much less attractive than the last half-dozen Service Grades I bought last year.
I am a little worried that folks aren't going to be able to find a nice shooter anymore at CMP. Yes, the "Correct" grades had low Muzzle Erosion, but the stocks sucked, and some weren't too pretty metal-wise either. For $900-$1400, I'll roll my own with the barrelled actions or stripped receivers. Maybe Cosmoline has gone up in price
The Woodless Danes were all SA, and all worn out. No lockbars, but a very few had Forged trigger guards and decent Op Rods. I guess the good days of finding a WIN-13 or IHC or even a decent HRA are gone. The Springfields are rejects, at least to someone as picky as I am. I am so daggone glad I had the opportunity to buy 8 very nice ones last year when a Rack Grade was often a Service grade in disguise. More's the pity
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Old 12-16-2006, 07:33 PM   #2
 
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Amanda,

Sorry to hear you were disapointed in the selection. You were just a week to late. I picked up a very nice FG with a MW .5 and a TE of 2 the wood will clean up nicely. Also a SA Correct that is like new on 12-8.

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Old 12-16-2006, 08:31 PM   #3
 
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Amanda,

I share the discouragement. I was there for the better part of Thursday. I picked up a couple LWs and had them behind the counter for a while, but even they were eventually put back on the racks. They were both 6-digits. I just couldn't bring myself to hold onto them, even though they had VARs on them. A VAR just doesn't have much appeal when it is a 3+ MW.

I DID leave with a bbl/rec. .7MW and about a 1TE. I searched (about the 5th time looking over the RGs and FGs) for a salvageable stock, and had to resort to coercing one of the kind CMP folk to peek in back for one. They found one (a RG) with a solid, but rough stock and a 3.5MW 1950 barrel. That stock may be seeing the inside of the maytag before a good sanding.

What really broke my heart was finding a cartouche (SA over a possible GAW with a large faint ord wheel) on a RG, then flipping the stock over and seeing huge greek garbage carved the length of the stock. I just have to scratch my head thinking of a military which was LOANED weapons, that would show so little respect or regard for their condition.
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Old 12-16-2006, 09:55 PM   #4
 
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I was also at the CMP North store today from about 10:00AM to noon-ish and I echo your sentiments. The Rack grades are pretty sorry, but I went home with a stripped receiver and a FG with a 2MW and 2.5TE. It's getting to be pretty slim pickings there and I hope they will be restocking after the holiday break. I still remember being there the first day they put out the Greeks, I came home with three RG's that beat the pants off of anything I've found lately.
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Old 12-16-2006, 10:09 PM   #5
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South Store...

I'll be in the CMP south store next Thursday, Friday or Saturday...
Hope there is a better selection....

I'll report in.

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Old 12-17-2006, 07:17 AM   #6
 
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Woof had it right... THere was plenty of nice stuff to be had lasy weekend.. Keep you hopes high as I am sure there will be another truck sometime in the future...
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Old 12-17-2006, 07:38 AM   #7
 
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Rack grades

When I was at Perry last August I went through the entire rack grade selection. All were beaters, most with bad wood. The woodless danes all had bad barrels, most had nice op rods. If you have a good barrel at home these selections make sense. Otherwise, avoid them.
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Old 12-17-2006, 07:45 AM   #8
 
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Re: South Store...

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I'll be in the CMP south store next Thursday, Friday or Saturday...
Hope there is a better selection....

I'll report in.

Gerry
I am going to go out on a limb here and say the south store selection will be better than the north.
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Old 12-17-2006, 08:53 AM   #9
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I've never been to either store, living just east of Seattle. I have ordered one Greek return SG, five Greek return rack grades, and five USGI rack grades over the last two years.

How are the rifles in the store selected for store sales? IOW, is some guy in the warehouse filling shipping orders and then brings the rest of the rifles left in the packing case out to the store? I guess I'm wondering if the M1's in the store are a good representation of rifles available for mail orders or are those in the store the "left overs" from ship sales.

I've ordered three USGI rack grades in the last few months and been happy with them. I have no muzzle guage but using the highly calibrated "bullet" test, they show very little more wear than the brand new Criterion barrel Dean put on one of my rifles, about the same as the SG I bought last year. These three rifles have more park than that SG, and many of the internal small parts appear "new". Each rifle has had "original wood" cartouches, or DAS stamps. I buy rack grades not because they are cheaper, but because they meet my expectations for a good rifle that needs a little of my own input which I enjoy doing.

I'm not sure a trip to either store would net me anything better than I've gotten by Fedex, with never a "sticky" attached.
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Old 12-17-2006, 08:55 AM   #10
 
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Not really a deal now?

I can't help but think that everytime there is news of new inventory, folks who live close and the hired sharks for dealers close in for the frenzy leaving the long distance drivers-one time a year buyers looking through the leftovers. I'm not knocking you lucky locals, just making an observation. I'm leaning to the mail order.
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Old 12-17-2006, 09:39 AM   #11
 
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As much as I would like to do my own shopping from the racks, living in Western Washington makes it pretty hard to go to Camp Perry or Anniston.

I have to believe that the majority of the "good ones" are grabbed up immediately and a good portion of those rifles manage to find their way to gun shows.

Orest has commented a number of times on the CMP Forum about turning in people who buy a dozen rifles with the intent to re-sell immediately, but that's a difficult thing to do unless you have hard proof.

The part that hurts is that these people who buy for re-sale makes it hard for the rest of us to find good rifles.

Apparently there will be some '03's available in January and I would not be suprised to see them disappear in a few days and get re-sold. I would love to have an '03 to go with my Garand and 03A3 but the chances are pretty slim in getting one.
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Old 12-17-2006, 09:58 AM   #12
 
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Makes you wonder why the CMP would have held back the worst looking Garands and try to sell them now.
At the NS few years ago half the rackers could have been placed in the Service grade rack and no one would have known. I used to snicker when I would read how the fellows would advise to buy a Service grade cause the bore and stocks were better when I was buyers Rackers that looked and guaged better than the service grades they were getting.
I remember there was a guy from Virginia at the NS two years ago buying 8 service grades and he commented on 2 Garands that I was buying. " Great looking service grades ya got there" he said, They both gauged "1" at the bore and 2 or 2 1/2 at the throat ,nice USGI walnut stocks and mostly correct ,in fact correct WWII barrels. I had pulled them both from the Rack Grade rack and there was more there too.I said thanks and nothing else. Let the CMP make an extra $100.00 per gun I thought.
Now I don't know what happened. I saw some nice Woodless Danes there back in Sept. and a few great 5.4 mil. FGs back during the Nationals. I guess that it is the luck of the draw or should I say the luck of what is there when you are there.
I could always find more nice rifles there than I had money for or what my Garand limit would endure. I would hold back on buying some nice ones just for an excuse to come back and buy some more.
Oh how times have changed. Glad I was there back in the good days of the NS.
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Old 12-17-2006, 10:58 AM   #13
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I'm about as local as it gets when it comes to the north store. I know a lot of the locals who buy M1's at the north store and out of 30 or so names that come to mind, I can think of only one who regularly resells what he buys at the north store. I probably get up to the north store about once a week or so. The big purchasers who are buying 5 or 8 or 12 rifles at once almost invariably have out of state license plates. The problem is that you just can't make a killing by selling M1's this close to the north store. Does it happen? I'm sure it does. But the vast majority of locals I'm aware of buy from the CMP for their own collections. There are guys in the northern Ohio area with 60 to 100 or more M1 rifles, but just try and get them to sell one!
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As much as I would like to do my own shopping from the racks, living in Western Washington makes it pretty hard to go to Camp Perry or Anniston.

I have to believe that the majority of the "good ones" are grabbed up immediately and a good portion of those rifles manage to find their way to gun shows.

Orest has commented a number of times on the CMP Forum about turning in people who buy a dozen rifles with the intent to re-sell immediately, but that's a difficult thing to do unless you have hard proof.

The part that hurts is that these people who buy for re-sale makes it hard for the rest of us to find good rifles.
Simple solution?
Limit amounts per customer per month at the stores. I would say that 3 maximum per month store purchase would be a welcome policy.

Can anyone honestly say that this would be harmful to anyone besides those glutting for a quick turnaround?
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Old 12-17-2006, 04:33 PM   #15
 
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I thank JAS qould take exception to that!!!

What about the folks that drive hundereds of miles and plan on picking up 2-3 rifles at a time?? It would suck to have to make that trip more often.

Face the facts. There are still plenty of M1's out there. And those that are trying to profit from it are really not that evil. Just entrepeneurs trying to make a buck, just like the rest of us. You guys are starting to sound like the dems chastizing Haliburton. I'm jealous of them.. my guess is that most of you are too...
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Old 12-17-2006, 06:22 PM   #16
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I have bought more than 3 rifles in a month. I still have them, and they are not for sale. The one guy I know who does sell just about everything he buys at the north store would not be effected by a 3 rifle a month limit. He sells the stuff on Gunbroker and Ebay and it gets out there beyond the reach of Captain Crunch. I have bought 33 M1 rifles from the CMP over the years and I still have 31 of them. Yes, I have sold two rifles over the years, but it got two guys hooked on our favorite rifle. I probably made enough profit to buy a Boyd's stock. Limits will just insure that the CMP has plenty of rifles left when Queen Hillary shuts off all sales for good and sends what's left to the chopper.
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Old 12-17-2006, 06:34 PM   #17
 
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The intention was not to paint you as a dealer JAS. I know you buy alot, I read your posts.

I was just trying to shed some light on that fact that people, like you, buy alot because it is a hobby of yours. And at the same time show that there are people out there profiting from CMP rifles and it is not as evil as everyone is making it out to be.
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Old 12-17-2006, 06:43 PM   #18
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No offense taken. As a matter of fact, I think we are in total agreement.
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Old 12-17-2006, 07:07 PM   #19
 
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JAS, honestly, I can dig that you've bought more than 3 a month, and are not a dealer. However, wouldn't you agree that the good would far outwiegh the bad if a 3 limit per month STORE purchase was inacted?

I disagree that it would leave more to be eaten by mister crunch. Why?
Simply this: dealers who want to glut would be forced into luck of the draw for the bulk of their rifles should a new source appear. The rifles would still sell, but the stores themselves would not be rode hard and put up wet long before some folks who are not local can make the trip.

Again, you could very well buy your whole year's limit in one day, just not at one of the stores. You'd have to order the 9 others and take your chances like the folks who haven't a snowball's chance of getting to one of the two stores.
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Old 12-17-2006, 08:04 PM   #20
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CMP South closed 12/17-1/03 Rats!

Looks like my trip will be a lost cause...
The CMP South store will be closed until after the new year....
RATS!!!!

Hope you all have a wonderful Christmas and Holiday season!

Gerry
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