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Old 12-02-2006, 08:02 PM   #1
 
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dishwasher job

Today was full of surprises. First, the wife had no objections to my washing my stock in the dishwasher. All she said was, "don't ruin my new "quiet" dishwasher." It didn't even cost me any money to send her shopping. I think I'll keep her. Had been thinking of trading her for two 25 yr olds but , hell, they would probably kill me. Second, The wood came out so clean and with most all of the dings gone. It really is amazing what a great job a dishwasher does - no mess, no work, no chemicals. In 90 minutes, it did what would have taken many evenings removing finish and stain. All that remains is a fine sanding followed by applying the finish of choice.
Thanks to those of you that have gone before me and posted your technique and results.
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Old 12-02-2006, 09:10 PM   #2
 
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Thanks for the post...my wife read it with me and she will now let me do the same thing I think the 25 year old thing scared her
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Old 12-03-2006, 06:38 AM   #3
 
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Postal16....Do something nice for her. she has saved you a lot of time. Hummm, maybe she sees you having more time now for some "honey do" jobs?
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Old 12-03-2006, 06:41 AM   #4
 
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Postal16/Liontech,
MY wife said, "What cycle shall I run it on?" She ran a beat up birch stock (very fat) that came out great. Now to get rid of the small black discoloration that the dishwasher didn't fix...

What are you going to finish with? BLO? Tung oil cut w/ turpentine?
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Old 12-03-2006, 07:48 AM   #5
 
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1911fan... You are correct. I probably will go with BLO and Tung oil. But I am also going to darken the stock some as I don't care for light colored stocks. When done, I'll post some before and after pics.
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Old 12-03-2006, 07:48 AM   #6
 
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also...did you leave the metal on as previously suggested in other threads?

This is the perfect time to do this, we are having a hot dry spell here in So Cal
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Old 12-03-2006, 08:01 AM   #7
 
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Postal16... I ran the dishwasher on the "regular" cycle. Remember to remove the wood before the dry cycle or some parts may crack or warp. I had all of the metal removed except for the rear hand guard band. That part is thin and the band helps keep it from cracking or warping. Regular amount of soap. I could not tell that anything negative had happened to the metal. I should mention that I had to remove the upper rack to get the stock in butt down but, you probably have already figured that part out by now.
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Old 12-03-2006, 08:06 AM   #8
 
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I also forgot to mention that the stock is an Overton stock and is a little thicker than I care for.
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Old 12-03-2006, 11:18 AM   #9
 
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You should keep the front handguard metal on though, it will prevent the front handguard from warping. I did one of my stock back in March and it came out great.
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Old 12-03-2006, 01:56 PM   #10
 
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The problem with leaving the metal on is that it tends to rust underneath.
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Old 12-03-2006, 02:48 PM   #11
 
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The problem with leaving the metal on is that it tends to rust underneath.
After it gets out of the diswasher dry those parts and then give them a coat of oil.
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Old 12-04-2006, 07:21 AM   #12
 
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If you are going to remove them to oil underneath, why not do it before the dishwasher. Warping and cracking aren't really a problem with a piece of wood that is soadked to the core with oil and grease as the dish detergent will clean only to a depth of about 1/8" max.
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Old 12-04-2006, 08:07 AM   #13
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I take all the metal off mine. Of the dozens I have done, I had one front handguard that expanded a bit as it dried so that the spacer metal was a loose fit. I just threw it back in the machine for another cycle but afterwards I put a block of wood in the opening a little smaller than normal and wrapped it with multiple rubber bands to keep it there as it dried. Problem solved. I've done so much wood in my Maytag that it should have a "Stocks" setting on the cycle selector. It's one of he tall tub models and I don't need to remove the top rack even to do two stocks at once. I use the full cycle complete with drying but let my stocks air dry at least a week after the dishwasher process before I start to apply finish.
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Old 12-04-2006, 09:27 AM   #14
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Excuse me for asking the obvious as I have never attempted this before but, do you use dishwashing liquid or just the water????
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Old 12-04-2006, 10:24 AM   #15
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I use a full load of dishwashing compound (liquid or powder). The compound for a mechanical dishwasher (not Dawn or Ivory liquids for use in the sink only) are mild caustics which is what attacks the grease and oils on food equipment, or rifle stocks. I use the "pot and pan" cycle because it takes time to heat the water a little hotter, and the cycle is 30 minutes longer than standard, on my machine. The compound is very basic and eats the cosmoline, gun oil, "hand" oil, and other assorted dirt and grime off the wood. Since the color of the wood after 60 years is mainly due to polymerized linseed or tung oil, when the oils are gone, the color is gone and you are left with bare wood. I think there would be some good done with just water but the dishwashing compound "saponifies" the soaked in oils, just like the grease on a roasting pan, and sends it down the drain.

Speaking of dishwashing compound, it only works in warm to hot water. Take a quarter teaspoon full and put it in the palm of your hand. Drop in a teaspoon full of "hot" water out of your tap, and stir it around with your finger. You'll see the reaction start in your hand as it gets "hotter" than the hot water you put on it originally (exothermic reaction)! If you do the same with cold or warm water, it just sits there, hardly dissolving in your hand.

Now, that being said, I did an NFR stock about a month ago and it came out very clean. I have not gotten around to refinishing it because my tung oil and stain are at my son's home in another state. I've noticed that since it's trip through the dishwasher and some light sanding to get any "fuzz" off, some oil from deep inside the wood has risen to the surface and made a few dark splotches. I like to stain my stocks anyway so just before staining, I will lightly sand the dark surfaces away again. This has not happened to me before, but then I've never left a dishwashered stock to sit so long before refinishing. I will probably use a darker stain this time to blend any dark splotches that are too deep to sand off.
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Old 12-04-2006, 10:44 AM   #16
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Thanks Six, was curious. I've got a carbine stockset ready to strip and thought I might try it.
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Old 12-04-2006, 11:17 AM   #17
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Forgot, I turn "off" the heated dry cycle. I don't think I want to subject a portion of the stock to the same thing that melts my tupperware!
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Old 12-04-2006, 01:57 PM   #18
 
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I tried it on a couple of old, unmarked birch stocks, and the first time I neglected to turn of the heated dry cycle - no obvious ill effects, but I don't want to do that again! It came out clean as a whistle. I had stripped both stocks with stripper two days prior.

Really an improvement on the Greek, every dent that could be steamed out was. There are several gouges that steam can't fix though.
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Old 12-04-2006, 07:51 PM   #19
 
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Instead of catching hell from Mom, I read up on using the Automatic Dish Washing Gell Soap and working that into the stock with a tooth brush. Wash the stock off with hot water. Repeat two times and it took all the grease, scuz and more out of the stock and took it down to the bare wood.

Advatange of this is you can now work around the marks on the stocks and avoid sleeping in the dog house.

After this, I did two coats of Wal-nut stain (Oil bases) and two costs of Tung Oil. Looks military. I left some of the dings so the stock will still match the medal.

I have done this with the Garand and a very greasy Carbine stock. Just keep in mind that this will only work on a stock without a sealer like Ployurphane or such.

Enjoy!
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Old 12-05-2006, 07:20 PM   #20
 
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After reading this and many other posts about the dishwasher, I decided to go ahead and give it a try. Thanks for all of the tips and info. Here are my before and after pics.

Before:
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After:
[img]http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r278/mpd224/M-1Garand046641x480.jpg[/img]
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