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Old 07-07-2019, 07:35 AM   #1
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Last U.S. military unit to use the M-1 Carbine?

Does anyone have any documentation or knowledge of what was the last U.S. military unit to issue the M-1 Carbine?
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Old 07-07-2019, 02:17 PM   #2
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No certain knowledge, but when I was in USAF Small Arms Instructor school in 1972, we were told that carbines were still in use at some SAC missile bases. We received no training on the carbine and never saw one; they told us, "You've been trained in the M1 rifle so you should have no trouble whatsoever finding your way around a carbine if you end up where they have them."
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I know they were in use during nam. Lots were issued to ARVN.

The I went through basic in 1959 we qualified with it and when I was at the marksmanship school I took a gear shift stuff off of brand new M2.
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No certain knowledge, but when I was in USAF Small Arms Instructor school in 1972, we were told that carbines were still in use at some SAC missile bases. We received no training on the carbine and never saw one; they told us, "You've been trained in the M1 rifle so you should have no trouble whatsoever finding your way around a carbine if you end up where they have them."
I am curious. What weapons were covered in that course in 1972?
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I know they were in use during nam. Lots were issued to ARVN.

The I went through basic in 1959 we qualified with it and when I was at the marksmanship school I took a gear shift stuff off of brand new M2.
Please explain.
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I am curious. What weapons were covered in that course in 1972?
M16, S&W M15, M1 National Match, Ruger Mark 1, 1911, Rem 870, XM148.
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cucv,

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At least as late as 1980 some USN ships had some .30 Carbines & Garand rifles in 7.62NATO, according to an old friend of mine, who was then a Navy pilot.

He said that the Garands were used for "standing guard, OCONUS".

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M16, S&W M15, M1 National Match, Ruger Mark 1, 1911, Rem 870, XM148.
Ruger Mark 1? XM148? What are those?
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Ruger Mark 1? XM148? What are those?
Are you kidding? Ruger Mark I was the target version of the famous, ground-breaking Ruger Standard .22 automatic pistol. Most of the ones we had at the school were 6 7/8" barrels, but I grabbed a 5 1/2" one--maybe the ONLY one. I liked it a lot except for the day we shot them, one of the school instructors insisted on standing right next to me on the firing line and shooting his privately owned Ruger Blackhawk in .30 Carbine--but that is a whole 'nother story.

The XM148 is/was a 40mm grenade launcher hung under the barrel of an M16. It was the crude (but entirely functional) forerunner of the M203, which I believe is still being used today.
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Here's the XM148 tucked under the barrel of a M16


And here's the older M79 "blooper"


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I've actually seen M79s IRL, but never an XM148.

I don't recall what the protrusion on the front of the trigger does on the M79.

I enlisted in '81, and some the the rifles I was issued were Vietnam vintage: Hydramatics, XM15s, M16 (no "A1"), the rare 3 prong, partial or no fence.
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M16 (no "A1"), the rare 3 prong, partial or no fence.
And no forward assist, either, if it was a true M16 no A1.
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Small Arms Repair Course in 1972, as best this highly experienced methane production specialist can recall, I graduated as a 45B20 Military Occupational Specialty;

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I went through basic and advanced Infantry and Junior NCO Academy in 59. All of thee at Ft. Ord. Where did you other old timers go.
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Ah, Ft Ord, sandy beaches, palm trees, girls in bikinis. I went through basic and advanced infantry at Ft Carson, Co. 1955.
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I went through Basic Training in 1972 at Fort Polk, LA, a place where it takes two alligators to make it through the summer.

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Are you kidding? Ruger Mark I was the target version of the famous, ground-breaking Ruger Standard .22 automatic pistol.
What did the USAF use a .22LR pistol for? Marksmanship training? Rodent control?
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And no forward assist, either, if it was a true M16 no A1.
They had forward assists, but who knows if they had their original upper.

In 1987, in Honduras, I ran into USAF SPs who had no forward assist carbines.
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So, I have heard that the USAF, particularly the ANG, used the M-1 Carbine into the 1970s.

I have also been told that places like the USAF base in northern New York, finally surplused their carbine ammo in the 1970s or 1980, and sold it to companies, with the strict condition that the ammo be de-milled. And that those sales were the source for the carbine re-pack kits that are getting so hard to find these days.

What say the hive?
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.22 semi auto pistols have been in use for handgun training for many years. During WWII the first one purchased was the High Standard Model B followed in 43 by the High Standard HD-Military. They were used in training folks who had no experience with handguns before they progressed to .45 autos or more lately 9MM Parabellum.
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