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Old 02-28-2019, 03:50 AM   #1
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Selling Value 1943 IBM M1 Carbine

Hey Folks,

My old carbine had a bolt failure which damaged the receiver's left and right bolt locking shoulders.

I've not had much luck in locating info on a replacement USGI receiver so I'm thinking of selling the gun.

It is complete USGI parts. All but the receiver is better than good. I should mention that all parts have clear markings. And the gun is assembled.

Anyone have any idea of the value??

Thanks,,,,,,,
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Old 02-28-2019, 04:21 AM   #2
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Welcome to the forum.

You say you experienced a "bolt failure" which led to a damaged receiver, but that everything except the receiver is "better than good". That is fairly confusing...what about the aforementioned bolt?

With a failed bolt and a damaged receiver you're pretty much left with a barrel, a trigger group and a stock, plus associated hardware like sights, butt plate, bands and springs. It might make more sense to part it out.
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Welcome to the forum.

You say you experienced a "bolt failure" which led to a damaged receiver, but that everything except the receiver is "better than good". That is fairly confusing...what about the aforementioned bolt?
CaptianGyro,

Sorry for the confusion. I thought it would be obvious with a stated bolt failure that damaged the bolt locking shoulders didn't have to be re-mentioned. My Bad!

Yes, you are probably correct about parting the parts out. There is a gun show coming up this month down here. That might be a good venue to look into.

I do thank you for taking the time to respond. Oh, I have attached a couple of photo's of the bolt and receiver lug.

Thanks again,
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About all you can do is part it out. Maybe you can find some one at the gun show that deals in these parts.
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Old 02-28-2019, 10:34 AM   #5
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What was the cause of the "failure?"
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Cause???

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What was the cause of the "failure?"
Charlie P.,

The proximate-cause was my stupidity. I suggest this because the gun other than an occasional miss-chamber was good.

My dad gave me a box of very old Czechoslovakian rounds. He had this box since his Korea days and ask me to fire a few off for grins.... Like a doofus I did.

The failure occurred after my wife fired the third round.

There is no way to express how I feel. Man, how could I be so stupid. I think that the old, not shinny, casings may have caused a slight out of battery condition. But who knows. (?)

Life is a learning journey through the 'stupid forrest'. Which I sometimes find myself deep into.... It'll be a long time before I get over this one!!

Thanks for asking,
Mike
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Your analysis sounds accurate and, sadly, that happens a lot. It almost seems sinful to throw away round of ammo.
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Your analysis sounds accurate and, sadly, that happens a lot. It almost seems sinful to throw away round of ammo.
Thank you, Charlie, for the kind words that doesn't rub salt in my wounds.
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Thank you, Charlie, for the kind words that doesn't rub salt in my wounds.
As you will find out, this isn't that kind of forum. Although we can get a little testy with each other from time to time, we strive to maintain a gentlemanly atmosphere.

Charlie is a published expert on most things firearms-related and can tell you just about anything you'll ever want to know about ammunition and reloading. Many of the other contributors have encyclopedic knowledge of one or more areas of firearms history and/or mechanics. The pace is slow sometimes, but the knowledge base is both broad and deep.
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I wonder if if might be possible to fix that damaged receiver by welding? I'm pretty sure I've seen gun boogered up worse that that one repaired.
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Possibly but you need a gifted welder and real skill with a file and dremel tool. Both sides of the receiver need to be checked for cracks.

Way back when the govt would sell "demilled" receivers there was a thriving business welding them back together I've seen M-1 and carbine receivers made with three or more parts.
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Good Input

CaptainGyro,,,, What you posted is exactly what I have experienced so far on this site. All good stuff and a wealth of information to have available.

Snake45,,, I thought that welding just might be possible. A very good TIG welder could build up the shoulders. Then another master smith with a die grinder could re-new the shoulders. But the receiver's heat treating would be comprised along with possible racking and match-booking along the bolt rails.

AND this cost would be more that my wife allows for my monthly beer allowance.

CharliePetty, I've heard about the receivers you mentioned. That is scary!

So, guys, this is what I've decided to do...... I'll keep my IBM receiver and Inland Barrel in a safe place. I'll purchase a matched and headspaced receiver, barrel, and bolt from Fulton Armory. Use my good trigger group, ops slide, barrel band, stock, sights and rebuild my old M1.

Sure it will not be 'Pure', but it will be a 'shooter' and have most of the parts that was on it when my grand paw used it in Korea. (Hey, it was a 'mix-master' when he had it.)

Thank all of you for the input and wish me good shooting in the future.

Mike

Below is the Fulton assembly....
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Sounds like a plan, Mike, and who knows, at some future point you might turn up someone who has the skill to repair your original receiver. Drive on!
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Sounds like a plan, Mike, and who knows, at some future point you might turn up someone who has the skill to repair your original receiver. Drive on!
HooRah,,,,

Thanks, Snake45, for the vote of confidence.

Only problem is the cost for the 'stuff' from Fulton Armory. It is close to the total annual budget of California. So,, I told my loving wife,,, "Hey, I'm worth it!" sent Fulton my master card number. That was three days ago and believe it or not I'm still here in my house with my wife. WHEW!

See ya,,, bye
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I doubt that the ammo was to blame. One of the most common failures in carbines is the type of lug breakage that your bolt shows. It isn't normally the ammo that causes it, just wear and tear on the bolt. Those bolts are hardened and sometimes brittle. You likely did nothing wrong. With carbines, bolt breakage is just one of those endemic failures. BTW, I wouldn't mind seeing a list of parts and markings. I'm in the market for some early Inland parts, particularly trigger group parts. BTW, contrary to what it says about me being a junior member, I'm not. The
system kicked me out under my old name "Jimb" and I had to reregister under this name. I'm been hanging around here for many years. I'm also a carbine collector for many years and do a bit of carbine work. I don't recommend welding the receiver. There was a special way that they were hardened. Welding tends to ruin that and allow stretching and it creates headspace problems.

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BTW, I wouldn't mind seeing a list of parts and markings. I'm in the market for some early Inland parts, particularly trigger group parts.
smokpole,

Thanks for the good input it all makes sense.

After much deliberation I've decided to replace the receiver, barrel, and bolt with a new Franklin Armory set-up. I'll hang on to the good USGI barrel and eventually find a USGI receiver and have it married to my 'still' good USGI barrel.

This way I can still 'plunk' with the old gun and be able to restore it to USGI status if I ever want to.

But thanks for the offer......
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Old 03-17-2019, 04:14 PM   #17
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Just be ready for the expense. Parts cost more than complete guns! BTW, you can usually find receivers on Gun Broker. Have fun.
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