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2k05gt 03-19-2015 08:29 PM

1943 NPM M1 Carbine
 
This is my 1943 National Postal Meter M1 Carbine

The Receiver, Slide, Bolt, barrel Band and Trigger group are all Correct NPM
The Stock is and IBM. I call is Mr roboto (Styx -1983) "My brain Ibm" never mind, I am showing my age..

http://s25.postimg.org/qv1gtek8f/M1_...3_NPM_0893.jpg

http://s25.postimg.org/ocewdid4f/IMG_1108.jpg

http://s25.postimg.org/zda1ij5db/11_...s_Barrel_3.jpg

http://s25.postimg.org/mjbzp6rxr/Typ...rel_Band_1.jpg


My Entire 1943 "Mid War" Collection

1943 Winchester M1 Garand
1943 NPM M1 Carbine
1943 Remington Rand 1911-A1

All the Ammo is head stamped 1943, basically all items are period correct.

http://s25.postimg.org/ekc87v27j/WWI...ction_0921.jpg

http://s25.postimg.org/5vpyfn7xr/WWI...ction_0936.jpg

http://s25.postimg.org/3yscvuvvz/WWII_1943_0948.jpg

TommyGunn 03-20-2015 07:45 AM

Nice firearms! -- And welcome to the forum.

I have an M-1 carbine my father brought back from the Korean War. Like yours it has the early "flip" sight. A LOT of those have been replaced during refits so you don't see them all that often. I like them better than the later adjustable types. The flips are smaller, simpler, and IMHO, more robust.
Mine has the type 2 barrel band which is wider than yours and has the assembly screw reloaced to the bottom, but lacks the bayonet lug found on the type 3.
The actuaotor slide on mine is also a later type (#4 IIRC) which has the more angled cam used to increase dwell time.
The stock on my carbine isn't quit as nice as yours -- yours looks almost brand new!

Interesting note; the photo that shows the .45ACP cartridges (2nd from last); I note the primers are convex. I still possess a quantity of .30 carbine ammo my father brought back from Korea, which was WW2 surplus, having convex primers like that. That's something I haven't seen on any modern ammo.

Again, welcome to GUNHUB. There's lots of good guys here. We're perhaps not as active as some other forums but the guys here know their stuff.

Kevin Gibson 03-20-2015 08:02 AM

Very cool, and props for your photos.

2k05gt 03-20-2015 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TommyGunn (Post 540628)
Nice firearms! -- And welcome to the forum.

I have an M-1 carbine my father brought back from the Korean War. Like yours it has the early "flip" sight. A LOT of those have been replaced during refits so you don't see them all that often. I like them better than the later adjustable types. The flips are smaller, simpler, and IMHO, more robust.
Mine has the type 2 barrel band which is wider than yours and has the assembly screw reloaced to the bottom, but lacks the bayonet lug found on the type 3.
The actuaotor slide on mine is also a later type (#4 IIRC) which has the more angled cam used to increase dwell time.
The stock on my carbine isn't quit as nice as yours -- yours looks almost brand new!

Interesting note; the photo that shows the .45ACP cartridges (2nd from last); I note the primers are convex. I still possess a quantity of .30 carbine ammo my father brought back from Korea, which was WW2 surplus, having convex primers like that. That's something I haven't seen on any modern ammo.

Again, welcome to GUNHUB. There's lots of good guys here. We're perhaps not as active as some other forums but the guys here know their stuff.

I noticed that about the .45 ammo, it's actually in nice condition but I don't think I would attempt to shoot it.

Same with the 1943 .30 carbine and 30-06 ammo, I will leave them as display items.

bearcat6 03-20-2015 06:06 PM

I believe that ammo is corrosive.

TommyGunn 03-20-2015 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bearcat6 (Post 540649)
I believe that ammo is corrosive.

If you're refering to the .30 carbine ammo, no, we never made corrosive .30 carbine ammo in America.
If you're refering to the .45ACP or the .30-'06, then I shall remain silent as I don't know about those calibers.

bearcat6 03-20-2015 08:22 PM

You are right about the 30 Carbine I forgot that but I think the other stuff was corrosive until sometime in the fifties.

2k05gt 03-21-2015 12:05 AM

Like Bearcat6 said, all military primers except .30 Carbine were corrosive until the early 1950's.

Twin Cities Ordinance AP M2, headstamp TW 43 (1943) Brass case
Western Cartridge Company, WCC 45 (1945) also brass case

Notice they both have the concave primer like the .45 ACP,
or not?

http://s25.postimg.org/ax2y8krn3/IMG_1133.jpg

the .45 ACP Info.
EC 43 FMJ
Bullet weight-227.7 grains
Powder-5.4 grains
Domed appearance of primer
OAL 1.260
Crimped to .470
Made by the Evansville Ordnance(Sunbeam) plant

http://s25.postimg.org/4ddy7ghrj/IMG_0619.jpg

http://s25.postimg.org/63wz8xzan/IMG_0620.jpg


the .30 Carbine Info.
PC 43 FMJ
Made by the Kings Mills Ordnance plant

http://s25.postimg.org/y5k7e4jcf/PC_Box_11.jpg

http://s25.postimg.org/xcz5vylm7/P1040659.jpg



Here a list of NON Corrosive Lot Numbers
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w...osiveChart.jpg

shep854 03-21-2015 12:06 PM

My carbine has all the post-war mods, and I've thought about restoring it to the original state. The problem would be finding and regulating a flip-up rear sight. I'll be delighted to learn how they were zero'd for elevation.

Airborn205 04-08-2018 02:40 PM

I've had a magazine for this rifle and several rounds of E C 43 ammo in my gun cabinet for years and never knew what it went to. I aquired it from my dad who probably got it from his. About a week ago our elderly neighbor was cleaning their basement and gave me a large box full of paper shotgun shells still in the original box and several odd caliber shells including an m1 8mm magazine with about 10 rounds. So this sparked my interest in what do all of these rounds and magazines go to and I stumbled on the pics of this gun at the top of this discussion, looks just like the one I have..Anyway, I will never own one of the firearms that these rounds and magazines go to so what is the best way to put it in the hands of somebody that may need them..

Airborn205 04-08-2018 02:46 PM

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USGI 04-11-2018 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2k05gt (Post 540624)


http://s25.postimg.org/qv1gtek8f/M1_...3_NPM_0893.jpg


All the Ammo is head stamped 1943, basically all items are period correct.


http://s25.postimg.org/3yscvuvvz/WWII_1943_0948.jpg

A really nice looking display, but did notice a few items that are a bit too late for 1943. Examples would be the bandoleer, stripper clips, and the box of (LC-'71) Vietnam era Carbine ammo. Did NPM ever use Type 4 trigger housings? - Bob


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