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shep854 07-09-2014 06:18 PM

Fulton Arms 'M3 Scout':
 
This popped up on Guns.com; an attempt to modernize the War Baby:
Fulton Armory's M3 Scout, a new take on an old favorite (VIDEO)

It sounds like a nice attempt to update the carbine, while maintaining its classic lines.
Now, about the ammo...

Kevin Gibson 07-10-2014 09:02 AM

Ammo:
Hornady Manufacturing Company :: Ammunition :: Rifle :: Choose by Caliber :: 30 Carbine :: 30 M1 CARBINE 110 GR FTX Critical DefenseŽ

As for the "Fulton M3": I have that mount and it's very good quality. I mounted an Aimpoint M68 CCO (Comp M2). Admittedly the sight show on the web site would get you lower, but regardless of what you mount, cheek rest is an issue. You essentially move from cheek rest to chin rest. Now I personally don't see that as much of a problem, just a little training gets you using the proper hold. But some will be put off by this. I don't see any way where you could co-witness any optic on the M1 Carbine.

Now personally, I have no issue with the iron sights; they very good.

IrishCop 07-10-2014 04:39 PM

Sure is a nice looking gun. I love my M-1 carbine...beat up and dinged as it is. Gotta admit that new one that looks that nice sure is tempting. Even at that price.

But it will have to wait awhile (for me anyway). Christmas only five months away, and both grandkids are at the age where their "toys" are really pricey. :omg:

shep854 07-10-2014 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by IrishCop (Post 536731)
Sure is a nice looking gun. I love my M-1 carbine...beat up and dinged as it is. Gotta admit that new one that looks that nice sure is tempting. Even at that price.

But it will have to wait awhile (for me anyway). Christmas only five months away, and both grandkids are at the age where their "toys" are really pricey. :omg:

I'd like to get a para stock for mine. I'm also returning it to its original condition by removing the bayo lug and installing a flip rear sight, like the WWII configuration.

Snake45 07-10-2014 06:20 PM

IMHO, the price of that star-wars sight and mount would be better spent on JHP ammo--enough of it to make sure YOUR carbine will run 100% on the stuff, and then a few mags of it for emergency use. ;)

Kevin Gibson 07-11-2014 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IrishCop (Post 536731)
Sure is a nice looking gun. I love my M-1 carbine...beat up and dinged as it is. Gotta admit that new one that looks that nice sure is tempting. Even at that price.

But it will have to wait awhile (for me anyway). Christmas only five months away, and both grandkids are at the age where their "toys" are really pricey. :omg:

A re-Parkerizing and a new stock...under $400.00 (with shipping) and you'll have a new carbine.

Kevin Gibson 07-11-2014 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Snake45 (Post 536734)
IMHO, the price of that star-wars sight and mount would be better spent on JHP ammo--enough of it to make sure YOUR carbine will run 100% on the stuff, and then a few mags of it for emergency use. ;)

Funny, that's EXACTLY what I thought. I didn't pay for my accessories, they were for an article I did years ago. They went on for the article and when done, came off and haven't been back on. I have no problems shooting fast and accurately with the iron sights which I think are EXCELLENT for such a little rifle. The first JHP I ever fed my Carbine were the Winchester 110 JHP; that was a wicked bullet. It just destroyed small game on up to Coyote's. I never shot at a deer with one but inside 100 yards I'm confident that bullet would get the job done if the shooter did his part.

Then I tried a 90 grain Hornady XTP behind (IIRC) around 12 grains of AA#9, and that tore small game up even worse, but penetration was very shallow because the bullet basically blew up.

Next came the Cor-Bon load with a 100 grain Barnes X bullet; that is the best load I've ever seen for the Carbine. Barrier penetration isn't too far off of a 110 FMJ, expansion is excellent and penetration is pretty deep. I have no doubt this bullet would take deer sized game if the rifleman did their job. If I were ever in a fight with a Carbine, this is what I'd want in my mag. Only problem is, Barnes has never offered that bullet commercially so you have to have the Cor Bon ammo which is EXPENSIVE.

This new Hornady load looks VERY interesting and I'm positive it will be a big step in the right direction. Whether it's a better bullet than the Barnes...that's a tall order but I'm hopeful.


As for feeding, here's what I've noticed:

Overall Length seems to be rather critical in the carbine unless you want to modify magazines. When hand loading JHP's, ignore the cannaluer and seat to the same OAL as a factory FMJ or JSP and the rifle will feed just fine. I noticed Winchester and Cor Bon clearly understood this with their JHP loads. This new Hornady load seems to mimic the profile of the Cor Bon load so I'm betting it's a reliable feeder as well. The only feeding issues I ever had was with the 90 grain XTP which wasn't a great bullet for the carbine anyhow.

IrishCop 07-11-2014 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin Gibson (Post 536737)
A re-Parkerizing and a new stock...under $400.00 (with shipping) and you'll have a new carbine.

And that is certainly a more affordable option. But first things first. On my last outing with it, it began misfiring. The primers were struck, they just didn't go bang. I changed ammo and it still happened. Then the trigger return spring either broke or something, because the trigger wasn't...well, returning. Could be the bolt needs a good cleaning, gunked firing pin hole. But the trigger return spring I think I'll leave to a local gunsmith.

Snake45 07-11-2014 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by IrishCop (Post 536743)
But the trigger return spring I think I'll leave to a local gunsmith.

Oh my goodness, that ain't rocket surgery. These things were made to be serviced in the field with little more than a pencil and a rock. Swapping that out should be within the capabilities of the most dickfingered among us. ;)

IrishCop 07-11-2014 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snake45 (Post 536744)
Oh my goodness, that ain't rocket surgery. These things were made to be serviced in the field with little more than a pencil and a rock. Swapping that out should be within the capabilities of the most dickfingered among us. ;)

Yeah, but the doc screwed up my circumcision...11 times.

Really, though I can do some simple parts changes..S&W revolvers. 1911's, AR's. But I really hate going into territories that are unfamiliar. I've been known to break the proverbial rock. I'll do some research, see if I think I want to give it a whirl.

Like Dirty Harry said...a mans got to know his limitations. :D

Snake45 07-11-2014 05:15 PM

Irish, I think I have a GI carbine manual around here somewhere that shows disassembly/reassembly of the trigger group. I'll see if I can find it and scan the relevant pics.

Diamondback 07-11-2014 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by IrishCop (Post 536745)
Yeah, but the doc screwed up my circumcision...11 times.

:omg::shocked: Me, I'd be lawyering up for the emotional trauma of that...

Skeptic49 07-12-2014 03:37 AM

With other options: Legacy Sports - M-1 9mm Carbine

Now if it proved reliable with the 30 round M9 magazines...even better.

Geoff
Who would contribute much to the Gross National Product if he won the lottery.

shep854 07-12-2014 04:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skeptic49 (Post 536754)
With other options: Legacy Sports - M-1 9mm Carbine

Now if it proved reliable with the 30 round M9 magazines...even better.

Geoff
Who would contribute much to the Gross National Product if he won the lottery.

That's a lot of gun for 9mm, though it does give you the bayonet option.

IrishCop 07-12-2014 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snake45 (Post 536747)
Irish, I think I have a GI carbine manual around here somewhere that shows disassembly/reassembly of the trigger group. I'll see if I can find it and scan the relevant pics.

Thank you, sir. I'd be grateful. Think I'll hit YouTube and look around. I've found more than a couple of useful tips there. :smile:

IrishCop 07-12-2014 06:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shep854 (Post 536756)
That's a lot of gun for 9mm, though it does give you the bayonet option.

Y'know, it's kind of intriguing to me, Pete. I mean it doesn't list for much more than a new 9mm handgun, feeding it would be cheaper than a .30 Carbine, and it would still be effective at CQB ranges.

Wouldn't mind playing with one, see if it fed premium defense loads reliably. Might be a fun (and fairly practical) little gun.:smile:

DavidE 07-13-2014 07:54 AM

I like it. If someone owns a Beretta, could the magazines be interchangeable?

shep854 07-13-2014 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IrishCop (Post 536758)
Y'know, it's kind of intriguing to me, Pete. I mean it doesn't list for much more than a new 9mm handgun, feeding it would be cheaper than a .30 Carbine, and it would still be effective at CQB ranges.

Wouldn't mind playing with one, see if it fed premium defense loads reliably. Might be a fun (and fairly practical) little gun.:smile:

It IS interesting as a carbine variation. Otherwise, I'd like a Kel-Tec Sub2000 folder.

Kevin Gibson 07-14-2014 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snake45 (Post 536744)
Oh my goodness, that ain't rocket surgery. These things were made to be serviced in the field with little more than a pencil and a rock. Swapping that out should be within the capabilities of the most dickfingered among us. ;)

The recoil spring guide is also a push-punch for all the pins in the trigger housing. The trigger spring doesn't need that nifty tool to be put back into place, I've always done it with the tip of a screwdriver. I'd check to make sure the hook of the trigger spring is over the back of the trigger (and of course make sure the spring isn't broken). Next would be to check to make sure your hammer spring is good and stiff.

As for the bolt, just take the firing pin out, inspect the whole are for burs and cleanliness, inspect the firing pin itself, then re-install.

IrishCop 07-14-2014 11:26 AM

Snake, Kevin, thanks to you both. I am going to see is I think I can handle it myself.

I mean, it wouldn't be the first time I ended up bringing a bag o' parts to a gunsmith if it comes to that. :rolleyes:


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