Kevin Gibson

If you get stuck, PM me and I'll give you my phone number, you can call me and I'll walk you through it. It's really quite simple. The little carbine has a slick fire control unit.

Captain O

These are a POS. I have seen them in (and out) of action.

Worthless.

bearcat6

A few years ago the CMP was selling M1 Carbine barreled receivers, I bought three of them and then bought the other parts I needed from the internet, then assembled them. It wasn't too hard to do and I'm no gunsmith.

Snake45

Dunno how I let this pass first time around:

No M1 Carbine can ever be a "scout rifle," because by definition a scout rifle shoots a full-power cartridge of the .308 class. Case closed.

TommyGunn

Couldn't an M-1 carbine in scout configuration be considered a "miniscout?"

SpecialEd

Didn't you mean "cub scout?"

TommyGunn

Dang, I've been out wise-acred.





And it didn't even take very long......

Snake45

Maybe a Girl Scout. Or a Brownie.

Captain O

Let's not become vulgar! "Brownie"... sheesh!

(And they have the unmitigated gall to call me "sick")!

stand watie

To All,

Btw, speaking of "mini-scout rifles" & the M1/M2 Carbine, when I was "way down South" a foreign officer carried a M2A1 US Carbine that had been converted to fire .220 Johnson Spitfire. = It seemed about as effective out to 200M as the 5.56 NATO cartridge is.

Quite compact little carbine with 55 grain spritzer bullet at nearly 3000FPS.

yours, sw

Captain O

The conversion barrel/complete rifle came out in 1963. All that is required is the .220 Spitfire ammunition. I'm certain that you can neck down the .30 Carbine to reform the case to the .22 Johnson Spitfire. It would be unique but rather out-of-mode because the .221 Fireball (1963) and .223 Remington (1964) stole it's thunder.

Today, it would make a decent (and fun) 53-year-old "wildcat".

Kevin Gibson

People seem to think the forward optic is the "scout" part of the scout rifle when in fact, you can have a scout rifle with an optic mounted traditionally. Cooper was right about a lot of stuff, but he was wrong on the forward mounted scope. It is of utility on a rifle that can accept stripper clips and might well be worth it for that convenience alone. But it has been proven time and again that a traditionally mounted optic is faster and affords much better field of view than the forward optic.

The M1 carbine is FAR from a "scout rifle", and I really think the martial part of a "scout rifle" is a very bad idea. It is NOT a combat rifle at all, but a very useful all around hunting rifle. Sure you could fight with it if that's all you had, but the same could be said for any other rifle. But unless you're well dug in with the advantage of surprise, against someone with a semi-auto you will first be suppressed, then killed if you try to square off with a manual action rifle against a semi-auto. There's a reason self loaders are universal as combat arms.

When Cooper was hunting and when he was hunting when he came up with the Scout Rifle concept made his idea have "some" merit. But had he ever found himself in a fight against people armed with semi-autos, he would have had to pray for a whole lot of luck to fall his way; namely in the form of incompetent foes.

Snake45

Or no optic at all, if you can get away without one. The criterion was that a rifleman should be able to take care of anything he was likely to run into out to a range of 300-350 yards. Cooper never stated the last figure exactly, but I infer it based on his remarks about 400 yard shots (he did not consider them favorably).

The Scout was not intended to be a "fighting rifle," but be capable of acquitting itself well in a fight if such became absolutely necessary. A true Scout would be roughly as tactically useful as an '03 Springfield, Enfield No. 4, etc. As we all know, a LOT of good fighting was done with such rifles, though they wouldn't be hardly anyone's first choice for that duty today.