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Old 01-15-2008, 02:05 PM   #1
 
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Winchester, how rare is the....

Got my Winchester carbine Fed Ex from the CMP yesterday. Over all I am very happy with it. Barrel measures .5. It is an early production (ser #1,1XX,XXX) with the detachable operating spring housing. How common are they? Is this a desirable feature? Did I get lucky on this one?
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Old 01-15-2008, 06:43 PM   #2
 
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you got fast and LUCKY
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Old 01-16-2008, 03:29 PM   #3
 
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You got real lucky.
They said they were going to auction all the early type receivers.
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Old 01-16-2008, 04:43 PM   #4
 
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Orest said the CMP would auction the type I spring tube Winchesters. The type IIs would be sold just like the integral receivers.
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Old 01-19-2008, 09:04 PM   #5
 
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Thanks for the responses. I was wondering if this one snuck past them. Haven't shot it yet as it arrived in very dirty condition and the weather's been very cold and wet. One happy camper here :P
Thank you CMP!
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Old 01-20-2008, 08:23 AM   #6
 
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What are the latest serial numbers associated with springtube winchesters? I ask because my order from the CMP has shipped also. Should be here early this week. The serial number is also 1,1xx,xxx. I guessed it should have the one notch cut through the receiver rail, but was unaware of the spring tube possibility.
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Old 01-20-2008, 02:18 PM   #7
 
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Winchester spring tube receivers can be found up to about the 1.22 million range, which is early September 1943.

Winchester reused serial numbers so you can never say for certain what type of receiver it will be for a serial number under about 1.22 million.

as an example

1017XXX is a type III
1070633 is a type II
1078968 is a type I
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Old 01-20-2008, 06:53 PM   #8
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Spooky,
I think Brian is correct in his observation of the seemingly random nature of serial numbers, for Type 1,2 and 3 Win receivers during the changeover in manufactor methods. As noted the change probably occured during the 1,07x,xxx range. Below is 1,064,xxx with the type 1 receiver showing correct spring tube, type 2 slide and type 1 TH. This Carbine was updated at some point with type 3 rear sight and type 3 front band. I love the color of park on these early Wins.
Be sure to post your pics when yours arrives.
[img]http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL648/2542733/7296158/96191066.jpg[/img]
[img]http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL648/2542733/7296158/96191032.jpg[/img]
[img]http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL648/2542733/7296158/96191051.jpg[/img]
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Old 01-20-2008, 07:32 PM   #9
 
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Thanks for the serial numbers and explanations. The one being shipped to me is a 1,14x,xxx. Around July '43? So the excitement now builds as I await the unveiling to see whether or not it's one of the type II's or type III. Anyone else have a 1.14 million winchester? Springtube?
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Old 01-21-2008, 05:41 AM   #10
 
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The last 1,14x,xxx serial number was stamped the second week of July 1943.
Most likely your receiver will be a type II spring tube but there is always the possibility it is a type III.
If your receiver winds up being a reused serial number there is no way to tell when it was built.
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Old 01-21-2008, 01:41 PM   #11
 
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Mine has ser # 1,15X,XXX. From what I have seen here, I am guessing it is a type II from the info. supplied? This is all new to me as I haven't seen one like this before now. What an exciting and interesting education!
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Old 01-22-2008, 04:30 PM   #12
 
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Spooky,
Just received my order today but haven't opened it. Just got home from work and need to wind down first. As far as your winchester goes.....this is how I see it. The CMP forum, this forum, War Baby!, and the Carbine Club newsletter #336, all seem to refer to these early receivers by slightly different names/types. I've seen them referred to as ; Type I and Type II, as well as type 1b and 1a and type 2. A different way of talking about the same thing.
So combining information from all above it seems that Winchester springtube receivers can be found in the serial number ranges from 1000000- 1219445. There are two types of winchester springtube receivers(and some sub-category by trigger housing lug); and the approximate serial number range where they changed over is around 10671XX- 1074389.
I would say yours is type 2, and I'm hoping mine is also. Congratulations on your winchester!
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