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View Poll Results: Which mag.capacity do you prefer to your US Carbine?
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Old 08-02-2002, 05:22 AM   #1
 
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Needed tool to complete disassembly (and poll of magsize)

I live in Denmark, and it is, well impossible to get things for my Carbine.
SO, Im ordering from http://www.amherst-depot.com

A couple of 15rd mags.
A book (complete guide...)
A buttstock pouch

BUT... to make a complete disassembly of my US Carbine, I need some tools, dont I? Which and for what?

Any help would be welcome...
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Old 08-02-2002, 06:43 AM   #2
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Field stripping is accomplished with a cartridge. Notice the band screw is cut for the extractor rim of a carbine cartridge. Actually a screwdriver does work better. The only tool you should have is the gas piston nut wrench, which is required to occassionally clean the cylinder. There are a variety of tools, bolt disassy and assy, trig spring, and many high level tools, but unless you will be rebuilding many carbines, those are not needed. Hope it helps. Bill Ricca
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Old 08-02-2002, 07:06 AM   #3
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I vote for 15 rd. mags. More reliable,and,do you really NEED 30 rds? They do look "cool" though. Bill is right about tools,but,if you even take out a trigger spring once,the trigger spring tool is nice to have,but you can improvise one easily.
 
 
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Thanks

Thanks man, you just saved me 50$... that just 4 more 15rd mags, which I find much cooler than 30rd, which I find too long.

How about a "Bolt assembly/disassembly tool"? Whats that, or is it just a screwdriver???
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Old 08-02-2002, 09:53 AM   #5
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Bolt disassembly tool is a contraption that depresses the ejector, while depressing the extractor plunger spring, and allowing you to push the extractor up and out of the bolt. Reassembly the tool will also align the extractor plunger with the extractor's plunger retention ridge. All this is not necessary if you are an octypus and have 6 or 8 hands
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Old 08-02-2002, 07:49 PM   #6
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And the eye of an eagle to find the springs when they bounce off three walls and get buried in the carpet.
 
Old 08-04-2002, 08:02 AM   #7
 
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The 30 round mags require the M2 mag catch for reliable operation. This is probably one of the reasons that even GI 30 round mags dont work well in most weapons. By the way, Sarco advertises rebuild kits for 30M2 carbine mags. The 30 round mags have a follower that holds the bolt open after the last round is fired. This follower can be retro-fitted to 15 round mags.
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Old 08-04-2002, 08:20 AM   #8
 
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Follower?

Well... a follower that keeps the bolt open after the last shot is fired sounds really cool...

This is a idea I just had... Ive never tried, nor will I, I think. But in theory... couldnt you just glue or weld an empty round (case) to the follower in the magazine, which the bolt would try the chamber, but since its stock in the magazine, it would keep the bolt open until magazine are removed, a new magazine is put in(?) and you pull the charging handle (??)

??* Im from denmark.. not sure on the words...
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Old 08-04-2002, 03:06 PM   #9
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I use both 15's and my one 30. The 30 works just fine. In a Plainfield. Bolt doesn't stay open though.
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Old 08-04-2002, 05:58 PM   #10
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LFox is dead on with the 30s, and failing to feed reliably, at times. The M1 mag catch lacks the third (rear) lock, and 30s can tend to lean forward at the bottom, leading to failure to eject, failure to chamber, and a nasty combination of both (when there are both a discharged cartridge AND a live round on the mix).

The tools are good if you plan to grow old with the weapon, or are going to do a lot of work with it. However, as those before have mentioned, the carbine was designed for reliability, and you should only need to remove the bolt (easly done by simply pulling back on the slide, and disengaging at the charging handle), for field duty. opening the piston assembly usually indicates a bigger problem. The bolt tool does help, but a small dose of patience, and a proper time and place to do so will go a long way.
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Old 08-04-2002, 06:13 PM   #11
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30 round magazines have always gotten a bad rap, but that is due to the repros which hit the market back in the early 1970's. Those marked M2 were originally manufactured in Illinois, now they are from Virginia. They were junk. I have always used SEY (Seymour Products) and AI (Autotyre for Inland) in my carbine and have had no problems at all.

Since those repros were made there probably have been 10-15 other brands of repros. Of the ones I have inspected, most don't have the same shape or quality of a GI. If you stick to US GI .30's you will spend a lot of money, but the reliability is far beyond the commercials.
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mags

Well, it looks like everyone prefers the 15 round magazines. I have one 30 round mag that always gives me problems feeding, never had any problems with the numerous 15 rounders I have, or the three other 30 rounders. I do like the look of the 30 rounders though, but reliability is more important than asthetics. The bolt tool & the piston wrench are a must if you are going to do anything yourself to your carbine. You can usually find them at gun shows, at least I did. I don't remember what I paid for them.
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Old 08-05-2002, 10:10 AM   #13
 
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I forget who now but they stated they were interested in getting some of the followers that hold the bolt open. I have 2 or 3 that I would like to get rid. I took them out of my 30 round mags and put the normal follower in from a couple of dented 15rd mags I have. I hate having the bolt fly forward thinking it gets to crunch another round only to be slammed into a stop. I doubt it does but I can just imagine what it does to the bolt. (scrapeing finish off and putting little dings) Sooo if anyone wants them PM me and let me know. thanks -myers
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Old 08-05-2002, 02:20 PM   #14
 
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I'm a big fan of the 15 rounders. I have a couple of 30 rnd mags with the "bolt stopper". I've never had problems with them. I got them from "Northridge International"(Have a IAI Carbine. It's new, so I guess that explains why they catch on mine).

I do admit that when the bolt stops on the mag...I jump a little. After 29 shots that last one is quite a surprise.

Anyone have info on 40 rounders? Good? No? Yes?
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Old 08-06-2002, 03:03 AM   #15
 
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if you stick with GI 30's and have an M2 catch they'll work fine. the aftermarket ones are junk.

what would be really cool is if someone made a drum magazine that held about 100 or so..... but due to the stupid laws in this country that won't happen.
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I like a ten round clip because you concentrate on your shooting and the a mag doesnt really get in my way when lying prone.
 
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Prone?

Well... if the 15rd mag gets in the way when your lying prone, you must be lying REALLY low... Ive got no problem with it...
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