Inlands between 140,000 & 170,000

newscotlander · 10-24-2005, 04:24 AM

Looking for help from owners of Inland carbines with serial numbers between 140,000 and 170,000. Some Inlands (if not all) have small numbers in this range. If you have an Inland in this range could you please post whether it has the large or small numbers. I am trying to determine if ALL Inlands in this range are small or if it was mixed. Any theories as to why the different sizes? Thanks.

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captian joe · 10-24-2005, 04:31 AM

My Inland ser# 1603XX is small numbers. I have no idea why there would be different size stampings???

Tailgunner · 10-24-2005, 03:49 PM

Newscott,
Inland 167,xxx small
Inland 209,xxx large

I'm going to answer this quiz before anyone else. The reason some numbers are smaller is because THEY USED SMALLER DIES !!

Sorry man , but I know somebody would have sooner or later.

newscotlander · 10-24-2005, 04:54 PM

Yes, they did use smaller dies. But why only between 140,000 and 170,000 or thereabouts. Then they used the big dies they were using before. The big dies were used up until the end of the first block except the SI/SG receivers used a different die as well. That die was smaller than the big dies but bigger than the small dies.

Also the number styles are different. The number style used late in the Inland contract are very similar to the 140-170,000 numbers.

I would almost think that the 140-160,000 small numbers were restamped later receivers except that almost all have 12-42 or 1-43 barrels and several originals have turned up that prove otherwise. One theory I have is that these are subcontract receivers but I have no documented evidence to prove this.

Tailgunner · 10-25-2005, 06:25 PM

Newscot,
Thats right barrel dates are 1/43 for both of mine. So who do you think subcontracted these receivers? Any other differences I can look for?

newscotlander · 10-25-2005, 07:32 PM

The subcontract idea is only a theory. I have NO PROOF. In War Baby, there are two companies that Ruth says supplied receiver forgings to Inland. Could one of those two companies have actually been making whole receivers? Who knows.

For what other reason would Inland have stamped 25-30,000 receivers in the small number style and then stopped for the rest of the serial number block? If they were using two sets of dies as Tailgunner suggests, then why would the two sets be mixed throughout the block? Or at least continued until the end of the block. The small style numbers appear to be identical to the style numbers used in the later Inland serial number blocks.

Once again I am trying to determine the answer to this puzzle . It may be a futile effort, but it is what makes carbine collecting exciting to me.

RMHendry · 10-26-2005, 05:19 AM

My Inland 1682XX has small numbers as well.

10-24-2005, 04:24 AM	#1
newscotlander Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 294	Inlands between 140,000 & 170,000 Looking for help from owners of Inland carbines with serial numbers between 140,000 and 170,000. Some Inlands (if not all) have small numbers in this range. If you have an Inland in this range could you please post whether it has the large or small numbers. I am trying to determine if ALL Inlands in this range are small or if it was mixed. Any theories as to why the different sizes? Thanks. [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v116/TheFox/Inlandlgsmlsncomparison.jpg[/img]

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10-24-2005, 04:31 AM	#2
captian joe Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 119	My Inland ser# 1603XX is small numbers. I have no idea why there would be different size stampings???

10-24-2005, 03:49 PM	#3
Tailgunner Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: outside Atlanta Posts: 642	Newscott, Inland 167,xxx small Inland 209,xxx large I'm going to answer this quiz before anyone else. The reason some numbers are smaller is because THEY USED SMALLER DIES !! Sorry man , but I know somebody would have sooner or later.

10-24-2005, 04:54 PM	#4
newscotlander Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 294	Yes, they did use smaller dies. But why only between 140,000 and 170,000 or thereabouts. Then they used the big dies they were using before. The big dies were used up until the end of the first block except the SI/SG receivers used a different die as well. That die was smaller than the big dies but bigger than the small dies. Also the number styles are different. The number style used late in the Inland contract are very similar to the 140-170,000 numbers. I would almost think that the 140-160,000 small numbers were restamped later receivers except that almost all have 12-42 or 1-43 barrels and several originals have turned up that prove otherwise. One theory I have is that these are subcontract receivers but I have no documented evidence to prove this.

10-25-2005, 06:25 PM	#5
Tailgunner Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: outside Atlanta Posts: 642	Newscot, Thats right barrel dates are 1/43 for both of mine. So who do you think subcontracted these receivers? Any other differences I can look for?

10-25-2005, 07:32 PM	#6
newscotlander Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 294	The subcontract idea is only a theory. I have NO PROOF. In War Baby, there are two companies that Ruth says supplied receiver forgings to Inland. Could one of those two companies have actually been making whole receivers? Who knows. For what other reason would Inland have stamped 25-30,000 receivers in the small number style and then stopped for the rest of the serial number block? If they were using two sets of dies as Tailgunner suggests, then why would the two sets be mixed throughout the block? Or at least continued until the end of the block. The small style numbers appear to be identical to the style numbers used in the later Inland serial number blocks. Once again I am trying to determine the answer to this puzzle . It may be a futile effort, but it is what makes carbine collecting exciting to me.

10-26-2005, 05:19 AM	#7
RMHendry Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 30	My Inland 1682XX has small numbers as well.