pc 43 ammo

coaldigger55 · 08-20-2005, 07:09 AM

I just found a can with a few hundred loose rounds of carbine ammo that I had forgot having, I must have had this for 30 years or longer. In it was maybe 300 rounds of LC 52.,,100 or so Winchester WCC 54,,, and maybe 100 PC 43. What company was coded PC? I have been reading that China rogued some fake LC 52 into the country some years ago. Is there a way to tell the real from the fake LC 52? Believe it or not but I fired clip of the PC 43 in the back yard a while ago and it fired like it was made yesterday.

TommyGunn · 08-20-2005, 07:45 AM

I believe WCC is Western Cartridge Company. LC is Lake City, which is Lake City Arsenal. PC is Kings Mills Ordnance Plant (Peters Company) according to Craig Riesch's book U.S. M1 Carbines Wartime Production.

Jeremy · 08-20-2005, 01:40 PM

Red primer sealant lokos USGI to me...none of my chinese has sealant.

htmn2468 · 08-20-2005, 01:41 PM

I just picked up 3 strippers with mixed head stamps L C 52 looks like the pics.however some of the stamps aer as follows L C 4 ,L C 51,L C 43,WCC 53,WCC 43, WRA 43. Dont know if this stuf is collectiable or shootable any help would be accepted THANKS

coaldigger55 · 08-21-2005, 02:01 AM

Jeremy, other than the sealant, is the headstamp on the China ammo any different? if so could you post a pic of it,, Also on the China ammo,does anyone know when China slid that stuff in here ? I don't remember ever seeing any of it. thanks

ChairborneRanger · 08-21-2005, 05:07 AM

All of the Chinese ammo was a copy of the LC 52 and was stamped as such---nothing else other than LC 52. The first 'tip off' is the cheapness/flimsiness of the box that they are packed in----not strong and "well constructed/well packed" like USGI ammo. The other thing you will note is that on the cartridge headstamp, the LC and 52 markings are slightly different and a bit "off kilter" from USGI ammo.

For many years, the story going around was that the Chinese .30 Carbine ammo was made for all the Carbines the Chinese/Vietnamese seized from the French when they surrendered at Dien Bien Phu----I suspect that that is outright speculation, though.

As an aside, the only other corrosive .30 Carbine ammo I've ever encountered is of French manufacture----be careful of those, as well.

Jeremy · 08-21-2005, 10:08 AM

Here is some info I put together....

Oh yeah..only "some" of the French ammo is corrosive.

http://www.100megsfree4.com/airground/ammo/ammo.htm

jimb16 · 08-21-2005, 01:59 PM

When in doubt. pull a bullet and dump the power. I believe the Chinese ammo was berdan primed. The US ammo is boxer primed.

08-21-2005, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimb16

When in doubt. pull a bullet and dump the power. I believe the Chinese ammo was berdan primed. The US ammo is boxer primed.

As usual Jim, right on target! Good info for the new guys!

Cryto · 08-21-2005, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coaldigger55

Jeremy, other than the sealant, is the headstamp on the China ammo any different? if so could you post a pic of it,, Also on the China ammo,does anyone know when China slid that stuff in here ? I don't remember ever seeing any of it. thanks

Have a look here: http://www.ambackforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21299

I posted pics of the fake LC52 ammo.

ChairborneRanger · 08-22-2005, 02:14 PM

Just check out the pics that Cryto references, as posted above. Look at the shape(s) of the "C" and of the "5", comparing the USGI and the CHICOM ammo----they are obviously different.

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08-20-2005, 07:45 AM	#2
TommyGunn Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Morgan County, Alabama "In Dixie Land I'll take my stand." Posts: 8,465	I believe WCC is Western Cartridge Company. LC is Lake City, which is Lake City Arsenal. PC is Kings Mills Ordnance Plant (Peters Company) according to Craig Riesch's book U.S. M1 Carbines Wartime Production.

08-20-2005, 01:40 PM	#3
Jeremy Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Camp Lejeune Posts: 741	Red primer sealant lokos USGI to me...none of my chinese has sealant.

08-20-2005, 01:41 PM	#4
htmn2468 Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 79	I just picked up 3 strippers with mixed head stamps L C 52 looks like the pics.however some of the stamps aer as follows L C 4 ,L C 51,L C 43,WCC 53,WCC 43, WRA 43. Dont know if this stuf is collectiable or shootable any help would be accepted THANKS

08-21-2005, 02:01 AM	#5
coaldigger55 Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 77	Jeremy, other than the sealant, is the headstamp on the China ammo any different? if so could you post a pic of it,, Also on the China ammo,does anyone know when China slid that stuff in here ? I don't remember ever seeing any of it. thanks

08-21-2005, 05:07 AM	#6
ChairborneRanger Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,975	All of the Chinese ammo was a copy of the LC 52 and was stamped as such---nothing else other than LC 52. The first 'tip off' is the cheapness/flimsiness of the box that they are packed in----not strong and "well constructed/well packed" like USGI ammo. The other thing you will note is that on the cartridge headstamp, the LC and 52 markings are slightly different and a bit "off kilter" from USGI ammo. For many years, the story going around was that the Chinese .30 Carbine ammo was made for all the Carbines the Chinese/Vietnamese seized from the French when they surrendered at Dien Bien Phu----I suspect that that is outright speculation, though. As an aside, the only other corrosive .30 Carbine ammo I've ever encountered is of French manufacture----be careful of those, as well.

08-21-2005, 10:08 AM	#7
Jeremy Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Camp Lejeune Posts: 741	Here is some info I put together.... Oh yeah..only "some" of the French ammo is corrosive. http://www.100megsfree4.com/airground/ammo/ammo.htm

08-21-2005, 01:59 PM	#8
jimb16 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: N.E.Ohio Posts: 3,218	When in doubt. pull a bullet and dump the power. I believe the Chinese ammo was berdan primed. The US ammo is boxer primed.

08-22-2005, 02:14 PM	#11
ChairborneRanger Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,975	Just check out the pics that Cryto references, as posted above. Look at the shape(s) of the "C" and of the "5", comparing the USGI and the CHICOM ammo----they are obviously different.