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Old 06-11-2019, 02:33 PM   #1
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The wife likes watching British murder mysteries. So the other night we're watching a show called Vera, about a female, police detective in Northumberland, UK. They recover a relatively undamaged bullet from a body, determine it is 7.65 caliber and from that alone determine the gun must have been a 1934 Beretta M34.

Sticklers will also note that only the M35, came in 7.65.
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Something unique in a 1934 Beretta rifling marks???
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That's nothing, I saw Cannon pick off a guy with a ranged weapon at a much higher elevation... with a .38 snubbie.
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Something unique in a 1934 Beretta rifling marks???
Must be.
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That's nothing, I saw Cannon pick off a guy with a ranged weapon at a much higher elevation... with a .38 snubbie.
The Fat Man, always hits his target.
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Something unique in a 1934 Beretta rifling marks???
No, it's just that apparently there's no one left in England available to the movie and TV industry who actually knows anything at all about real guns.

Witness the cable TV shows being done for the History Channel and Military channels about WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, and the Sand Wars.
You'll see WWI and WWII German troops "firing" British Lee Enfield rifles.
Russian Commie revolutionary's firing Lee Enfield rifles in 1917 Moscow.
German troops firing at Hitler during the Beer Hall revolt with Lee Enfield rifles.
American troops wearing British web gear, canteens, and uniform jackets.
101st Airborne paratroopers in Easy Company tossing British Mill bombs instead of American pineapple grenades.
American Paratroopers wearing obvious black work boots instead of paratrooper jump boots.
Hitler shaving his mustache with a WWII British Commando knife.
M1 Rifles, M1 Carbines, and Thompson guns blazing away, but the bolts are not moving.
American troops wearing obviously plastic prop helmets that are WAY too small.

In one scene there's WWI German troops firing rifles from a trench.
Some of them are using Mauser rifles, and some are using obviously prop Lee Enfield rifles WITH THE BOLT HANDLE ON THE WRONG SIDE.
No the film is not reversed, the Mauser's have the bolt on the right side.

The reason for all this foolishness...... Most of these shows are made in England where no one appears to know anything about icky real guns.
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The Fat Man, always hits his target.
How about the time he shot down an escaping small plane by holding a Browning .50 caliber machine gun in his hands.
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I remember that particular incident in Cannon. My own personal favorite though was in the first few minutes of a Hawaii Five O episode where an hitman (only dude on beach in a suit-outstanding tradecraft) hides his silenced Ruger Mk I behind a paper and, from the hip, picks off someone on a surf board about 150 yards off shore. Never did like that show or watch much of it. I think the only reason I saw that bit was I was slow on switching channels.

For any youngins, in those days you had to actually walk across the room to change channels.
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One of my faves is how T-6s can become zeros
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One of my faves is how T-6s can become zeros
And in Saving Private Ryan, T-34s became Tigers.
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One of my faves is how T-6s can become zeros

A common Hollywood stand-in for the Zero. Or Navy SNJs. Both were essentially the same plane.
While I believe someone has now reconditioned a WW2 Zero to flyable status, there were no flyable Japanese Zeroes for quite a long time.
In 1970, when TORA TORA TORA was made, they had to use T6s to play Zeroes.
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That's nothing, I saw Cannon pick off a guy with a ranged weapon at a much higher elevation... with a .38 snubbie.

He learned how to do that from Efrem Zimbalist Jr. In The F. B. I.
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Sold my 1934 several years back. It had been proofed for Italian military service.



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Sold my 1934 several years back. It had been proofed for Italian military service.
Caliber?
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9mm corto I think.
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dfariswheel,

Pardon me for pointing out that the WWII Germans actually captured so many SMLE that they actually "accepted" the British arms for German military/police service & thereafter reissued them to "2nd-line troops" after Dunkirk, throughout the rest of the war.
(The estimates are at least 50K SMLE & many thousands of rounds of .303 British service ammo were captured by the Germans, between Dunkirk & the North African campaign.)

SOME Model 1911 pistols were also captured/issued by the NAZI army to "foreign troops" & to the Waffen SS. = The actual number of "accepted for service" .45ACP pistols is UNKNOWN to me.

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I recently bought this blank slide .380 Beretta.
https://imgur.com/dp2TzmA
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The Germans also had access to Browning 1935s. I ran across one years ago with Nazi German proof marks on the frame and slide.
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csmkersh,

INTERESTING. - I wonder how many of those were in German hands during WWII.

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INTERESTING. - I wonder how many of those were in German hands during WWII.

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There were many -- as Belgium was overrun early on-- and they're not to be trusted until given a thorough inspection as there was documented sabotage as well as steadily declining production standards as the Germans ran out of resources.
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