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Old 06-13-2019, 05:43 PM   #21
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Pardon me for pointing out that the WWII Germans actually captured so many SMLE that they actually "accepted" the British arms for German military/police service & thereafter reissued them to "2nd-line troops" after Dunkirk, throughout the rest of the war.
(The estimates are at least 50K SMLE & many thousands of rounds of .303 British service ammo were captured by the Germans, between Dunkirk & the North African campaign.)

SOME Model 1911 pistols were also captured/issued by the NAZI army to "foreign troops" & to the Waffen SS. = The actual number of "accepted for service" .45ACP pistols is UNKNOWN to me.

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Of course the Germans never let a weapon go to waste, but the TV depictions are just errors in the way they are shown.
Also the Germans issued Norwegian Colt .45's that were made by Norway under Colt license and the Germans continued production. They even had an official holster for it.

If you watch the TV shows that run original WWII film and watch close you can often catch interesting things. Over the past years I've seen....

Germans armed with various allied weapons including the Lee Enfield and the M1 Carbine, which the Germans liked.

A German standing on a tank deck armed with the rare German copy of the British STEN gun. This was a direct copy except the magazine fed from the bottom of the receiver.

A British soldier riding by on the back of a tank who's armed with a long double barreled shotgun.

A US soldier at the meeting with the Russians on the Elbe River.
He has a standard war time Carbine with no bayonet lock and the flip rear sight, but he has a 30 round magazine in the Carbine.
No, it's not two 15 round mags taped together.

Two Germans in Poland shaking down some civilian.
One is armed with what looks like a British .455 Webley revolver.

Somewhere in Eastern Europe is a non-German soldier armed with what looks like a heavily modified British STEN copy with a flat tubular folding stock.

Supposedly few if any American stamped Liberator pistols were actually used.
However, there's a picture of a native Burmese Kachin agent with a Liberator stuck in his waist band. He's so small the Liberator looks huge.

All this just shows that anyone would use any weapon they could get their hands on, but the TV shows abuse this simply because they don't know any better and they use the props they can get without regard to authenticity.
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7.65?
Is that a .32cal?
.32acp?
.32 S&W?
.320 Rook?
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Old 10-17-2020, 09:57 PM   #23
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dfariswheel,

Fyi, I can well believe that both WWI & WWII German soldiers could be using British rifles, as during both World Wars the Germans & their allies captured so much foreign military equipment that the German military actually assigned "German-sounding military nomenclature" to the foreign equipment, whether British, Canadian, French, Norwegian, Russian or US made.. In point of fact, some foreign equipment was actually rebuilt/modified in German arsenals or by civilian contractors.

By the mid-late part of both wars, the Germans & their allies also bought large quantities of Spanish & other "third nation" rifles/pistols/ammunition.

SMLE rifles were VERY common among Axis 2nd, 3rd line troops & several para-military or police-type formations.

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7.65?
Is that a .32cal?
.32acp?
.32 S&W?
.320 Rook?
Yes, it's .32, yes it's .32 ACP.
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Old 10-19-2020, 09:35 AM   #25
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I remember a History Channel program on Pearl Harbor. One of the clips showed a He 111 dropping bombs.

If the Empire of Japan had a carrier operating medium bombers I suspect they would have used their own.

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Who notes the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor with four engine bombers. Giant flying boats refueling near some unoccupied island in the chain Northwest of the big islands.
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I remember a History Channel program on Pearl Harbor. One of the clips showed a He 111 dropping bombs.
They must have misplaced their standard clip of Douglas SBD Dauntlesses.
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They'd have used a picture of a Northrop P-61 if they had one.
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I remember, things I read in my youth. The UK captured a lot of Italian weapons in the early desert war and the pistols were distributed by the SOE to agents all over the world. Many agents kept the pistols, often quite illegally.

There was also a program of bringing children of agents and exposed agents from Eastern Europe to England and giving them English names one source noted the last names given were of English rivers.

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Who only vaguely remembers reading such in a book, in my youth many, many moons agone.
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csmkersh; SpecialEd,

TRUE. - Moreover some P08 pistols were put together from left over WWI & post-WWI
parts at a concentration camp. = SOME of those "concentration camp pistols" were CAREFULLY SABOTAGED, as the inmates KNEW that ONLY the SS & high-ranking NAZIs, by 1943, were usually issued a Lugar & those pistols would BLOW UP after only a FEW rounds.

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To All,

Fwiw, I had a friend (when I was stationed in K-Town in 1970) who was DRAFTED into the WAFFEN SS at age THIRTEEN to help defend Berlin in 1945. = Karl said that a SS SGT literally came into their classroom & "swore in" ALL of what we would call the 8th Grade boys into the "Volunteer" Waffen SS.
(Talk about "scraping the bottom of the barrel"!!!)

He showed me the S&W Canadian Service Model revolver in .455 that he was issued by the German SGT with TWELVE rounds of ammo. - Karl actually was given a uniform & he said that, "Some of us got a whole uniform & some of us got one or two pieces of a uniform & usually a cap, - I got a whole uniform because I was 'big for my age' at 13."

ADDENDA: After I wrote this & then re-read it, I realized that a whole sentence is missing: "Karl said that the 'boy-soldiers of the Waffen SS' was issued every sort of firearm in the German inventory.= SOME got rifles, SOME got handguns, SOME got hand grenades & SOME got sporting style shotguns."


Fwiw, he also said that EVERY "volunteer", who survived their first "action", was given the Iron Cross but LESS than 1/3 of the "volunteers" survived until VE Day..

ADDENDA: Karl told me that he was "picked up" by US Forces AFTER Berlin fell & was taken to a "special detention camp" for SS members.
Upon arrival he said that he was taken before an "old-looking US Major", who asked how old that he was.
Karl said, "I told him that I was NEARLY 14. Then the Major told a SGT to 'send me home to my mama' & I was released from custody, after they gave me a huge lunch & a packet of food to take with me for the long trip home to Zwiebrucken."
(Karl walked most of the way home & it took him most of 3 weeks.)

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I started to watch a movie on the tube called Anzio. I thought great I didn't know they made a film about that. All the American GIs were armed with Lee-Enfields. it was too much for me, couldn't watch it.
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I started to watch a movie on the tube called Anzio. I thought great I didn't know they made a film about that. All the American GIs were armed with Lee-Enfields. it was too much for me, couldn't watch it.
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IF the movie (which I have NOT seen) was ONLY about the FIRST HOURS of the campaign to take Anzio, the US forces COULD have been armed with SMLE rifles, as my dad (who was at that time BOMBING about 20-50KM inland to STOP the Germans from reinforcing the coast) said that the FIRST Allied Forces ashore were First Special Service Force men, a few Army Rangers, some USN "frogmen", UK Special Boat guys from the British/Canadian Navy, British Commandos, Canadian Elite Force-types, etc.

My dad also said that "We Allies could have taken Rome with a troop of Girls Scouts" as there were hardly any Axis troops in the city in the early hours of the attack. - Then he said, that the TIMID US General, who was in overall charge of Allied Forces, wanted to set up a strong landing zone & a static defense perimeter, before "commencing offensive operations", IN CASE that there was a German counterattack.
(My dad said that the flag was a "cowardly lion" & that IF LTG Patton had been in command that they would have ATTACKED & taken Rome in 2 days max.)

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Which, SW, may explain why Patton was poisoned while recovering from the car "accidebnt"

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/...gard/15828297/
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csmkersh,

VERY LIKELY so, IMO.

BTW, ONE of the VERY FEW times that I could get my dad to talk about the war & his 1st hand experiences was about BOMBING with B17 to "cut off the landing zone" at Anzio & STOP the Germans from reinforcing the beach areas.

Like MOST WWII vets, my dad would seldom answer (even my direct) questions for school projects about what he had done/seen/experienced in the Crusade in Europe. = Just TOO PAINFUL to relive, I would guess.

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