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Old 05-20-2019, 12:52 PM   #1
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What's on your belt?

So your heading to the Ice Pack.
Your primary Firearm is a controlled round feed bolt action 300 Win Mag.
Is there a favorite knife in a scabbard on your belt?
What sidearm do you insert into your holster?

Thanks for your input in advance.
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Just me. I'd have my Camillas fighting knife. Yeah, I know. Most prefer the Kbar. Maybe my 1911 but with the .45 Magnum barrel instead of the .45ACP barrel. I no longer own a .44 Mag revolver, soooo. I'd also have my Case Cattleman folder and one of my Spydico folders. You never have enough knives when you're in the boonies.
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My beloved Damascus skinner , with 5" blade, by a German knife-maker & my P225 in a holster, loaded with High Speed 115JHP.

Once I get my NOS Government Model in .38 Super, I'll start carrying that handgun instead & loaded with 10 rounds of Buffalo Bore 147 grain Plus P.

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My Dad's Kbar, the 10mm Colt and the Shockwave stoked with slugs... for those "close encounters".
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My beloved Damascus skinner , with 5" blade, by a German knife-maker & my P225 in a holster, loaded with High Speed 115JHP.

Once I get my NOS Government Model in .38 Super, I'll start carrying that handgun instead & loaded with 10 rounds of Buffalo Bore 147 grain Plus P.

yours, sw
I'm exceptionally curious to know why your (secondary) sidearm of choice would be on the lowest end of major power? Especially since the 300 Win Mag selected wasn't up to your performance standard.

I must admit that I'm leaning toward holstering a revolver. It's biggest asset is speed/reaction time during a cartridge failure to fire. It's a little faster to squeeze the trigger a second time on a revolver than it is to clear the chamber on a semiautomatic while wearing arctic condition hand wear/mittens & gloves. JMHO.

But when nanoseconds (most handguns lack one shot stops unless perfectly placed) matter when deploying a secondary firearm, I'm of the opinion that even six rounds may be more capacity than I'll have time to unleash? Think I'd still rather have even an L-Frame 265 grain .44 Mag over an L-Frame 180 grain .357 Mag if it came down to tooth & nail distances with my secondary firearm.

Would an Ontario 18 inch (NSN) machete be overkill?
This might be right up the undestructable MK3's alley, or even the new Seal Crowbar weight knife.

Now about that MK2 (KA-BAR). I'll admit that I'm a fan of the D2 Extreme KA-BAR. But I'm going to pass along a real time secret for anyone in a salt life environment. The weakness of any MK2 is the rat tang under the leather washer handle! Before you attempt to take Dad's or Granddads knife into a frozen or otherwise salt water environment, remove and replace the leather washers while inspecting the condition of the metal of the rat tang that resides in your hand. JMHO.

Even if salt water is frozen, it's still a salt water environment. Don't forget that the ice pack is frozen salt water, yup you can melt a little off the top to drink, but it's still just frozen salt water. Look out for the off colored stuff, it's the same as in the Rockies. Just food for thought.

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M118LR,

To answer your question, I'll carry the Colt's GM in .38 Super because that's the heaviest caliber that I can get away with the department. = As "the big boss" is a personal friend, it makes NO difference what the 1st line supervisor (a LT) likes/doesn't like BUT even "Mark" told me NO .45ACP or .40 S&W or .357 SIG.

Pardon me for saying that a 147 grain JHP at 1200FPS & 450FPE "ain't no pussycat" & MILES ahead of "department tissue", which is 9mm NON-Plus P 124 Grain JSP at 950FPS & about 270FPE.
(I have a friend who uses a .38 Super for feral hog hunting & his comment is that BOTH the 124 & 147 grain JHP loads by Buffalo Bore are "excellent hog stoppers" & "generally, GYD in their tracks".)

yours, sw

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M118LR,

To answer your question, I'll carry the Colt's GM in .38 Super because that's the heaviest caliber that I can get away with the department. = As "the big boss" is a personal friend, it makes NO difference what the 1st line supervisor (a LT) likes/doesn't like BUT even "Mark" told me NO .45ACP or .40 S&W or .357 SIG.

Pardon me for saying that a 147 grain JHP at 1200FPS "ain't no pussycat" & MILES ahead of "department tissue", which is 9mm NON-Plus P 124 Grain JSP at 950FPS.

yours, sw
Just to clarify, "Department Issue" ain't "Coming back HOME" from a heavy bruin experience. Not to mention that CPD has determined that there isn't a 9mm round capable of a single round stop outside of the "Apple" since 1965. So I was electively issued a SW 645 as a insignificant diver, as just an LEO sidebar. CPD issued every beat cop a .357 Colt Python as Department Issue, in days gone bye. Perhaps you should take the time to read Georgia LEO prerequisites for Glock 21 .45ACP as "Department Issuance" To expect your Department Issued Sidearm to meet minimum requirements for "Real World" experiences is a fallacy that survivors won't experience. JMHO

Notice that Maritime Unit Chicago PD Issue, I elected to carry a S&W 645 instead. Officers Choice, just qualify higher.

Perhaps I've said to much? But it's all real time, with photos as evidence.
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To answer your question, I'll carry the Colt's GM in .38 Super because that's the heaviest caliber that I can get away with the department. = As "the big boss" is a personal friend, it makes NO difference what the 1st line supervisor (a LT) likes/doesn't like BUT even "Mark" told me NO .45ACP or .40 S&W or .357 SIG.
Sounds like you're working Mexico or further South and having "military" calibers are major No-Nos.

M1218LR, you've been trained to go for the medulla box. For the unfamiliar, that's about a 2 inch band around the head centered on the eyes. A shot there usually are one shot stops.

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Head shots.

There's just no substitute.
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Sounds like you're working Mexico or further South and having "military" calibers are major No-Nos.

M1218LR, you've been trained to go for the medulla box. For the unfamiliar, that's about a 2 inch band around the head centered on the eyes. A shot there usually are one shot stops.
Actually, I received the same one to center of mass followed by one to the "Apple" that Uncle Sam's been preaching since the "Doughboys" took hold of the 1911. The one in the center of mass is supposed to slow the target down enough to allow proper placement in the "Apple".

Now I'm sure that the bone density between the eyes of a Polar/Kodiak Bear is a bit thicker than a standard Military target. The lower the density (as related to caliber) providing higher velocity projectiles have a tendency to follow bone structure and fragment into multiple pieces. Great effect on thin skinned lightly boned targets. But the Skull of a bruin, like the grizzle plate of a Hog, is more about penetration than the hydraulic shock of expansion. Having both is like picking your cake and eating also. JMHO.

While I can empathize with ROE's South of the US Border, ain't no White Bruins down yonder............
But .44 Mag, .357 Mag, 10 mm, and any of the .50's have never been NATO Issue.

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The .38 Super, with solid Cor Bons, can get some penetration. If I had a .38 Super at hand for such a task, that's what I would want to load it with.

That said, with all the handguns out there, including the short barreled heavy caliber revolvers that some makers put out for carry in such country, I'd probably want something like a Marlin lever rifle in .45-70 Gov't or .444 Marlin "Just in case." The .38 Super with Cor Bons probably puts out a bit more muzzle energy than my 9mm, though.

Not many Kodiak Bears here in New Jersey
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The .38 Super, with solid Cor Bons, can get some penetration. If I had a .38 Super at hand for such a task, that's what I would want to load it with.

That said, with all the handguns out there, including the short barreled heavy caliber revolvers that some makers put out for carry in such country, I'd probably want something like a Marlin lever rifle in .45-70 Gov't or .444 Marlin "Just in case." The .38 Super with Cor Bons probably puts out a bit more muzzle energy than my 9mm, though.

Not many Kodiak Bears here in New Jersey
Glad you opined.
Let's just remember that your primary firearm has failed and that .38 Super is all that stands between you and the pearly gates...

Sure there isn't another sidearm that you would like to draw from your holster?
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M118LR,

At the risk of needless repetition, I have NO INTEREST in ever going to/hunting in THE ICEBOX called AK.
(I spent my time at Ft McCoy WI & once out of that FREEZING PLACE, I have NO interest in ever returning to a place of ICE/SNOW about 8-9 months each year. = With my naturally quite low blood pressure, I'm not comfortable without a sweater, jacket or coat at below 60 degrees F, if there's any wind.)
ONE major reason that Darla & I are seriously considering retiring to Latin America, aside from the LOW cost for a retired soldier/spouse living there, is the TROPICAL climate.
(Gloria, the wife of a friend who is a Army MSG/E8 retired, has been "corresponding with" Darla & she, in a recent email, said, "A lady may need a light wrap to eat out on the terrace after dark on cool evenings." = We won't be taking any heavy clothes, IF/WHEN we make our possible move South.)

My most savage 4-footed opponent south of the US border is EL TIGRE & the .38 Super is quite capable of KILLING a Jaguar QUICKLY with a decent "hit".

Fwiw, when I go next year to southern Africa to hunt Cape Buffalo, "plains game" & (if I can still get a permit from CITES??) hopefully a LEOPARD, no "foreigner" can lawfully carry a handgun there, so a powerful pistol/revolver is NOT an important consideration for hunting over there.

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Fwiw, when I go next year to southern Africa to hunt Cape Buffalo, "plains game" & (if I can still get a permit from CITES??) hopefully a LEOPARD, no "foreigner" can lawfully carry a handgun there, so a powerful pistol/revolver is NOT an important consideration for hunting over there.
Then you need to do as Ruark did, carry a shotgun when not hunting. He did it mainly for black mambas and regretted it the one evening he forgot. He nearly became supper for a leopard.
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csmkersh,

My double-barrel, "sawed-off" to 18.25" barrels, 12 gauge FOX STERLINGWORTH & a quantity of #1 Buckshot, will go along on the trip.
(Mrs. Virginia Ruark, according to a letter that she wrote to a GF in NYC, spent over 5 hours of a dark & frightening night INSIDE the toilet tent, while a leopardess prowled just outside. = Virginia Ruark said that she was close enough, much of the night, to hear the leopard BREATHE through the tent's walls. - She never left her sleeping tent again, unarmed. - Mrs. Ruark said that she never knew why the leopard didn't come into the tent & attack her.)

Note to "collectors" (who may be horrified): The circa 1930 Fox BD was already CRUDELY "sawed-off crooked" to about 24" when I found it one Sunday afternoon in 2006 at the Canton flea-market in Canton, TX. = 100 bucks.

My first cousin, RANDY, is a fairly decent "country gunsmith" (as well as a retired watchmaker & talented goldsmith). Randy took it home with him one evening, cut it down to 18.25", filed the muzzles straight/smooth & re-crowned the tubes, did a touch-up re-blue job, attached a 14K gold bead, inlayed a sterling silver plate in the left side of the stock with my name & service number engraved thereon, recut the checkering/refinished the wood, replaced the worn-out recoil pad & then returned it to me about 3 weeks later.
Money won't buy it, btw. = It's willed to my adopted son, Nathan Paul Thomas.

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There's no good reason not to own a Shockwave.

It's like a NC speed wrench; probably not the best tool for the job, but a tool you can make do to do most any job.

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WaltGrahma,

Fwiw, I would prefer the Remington 870 TAC14 or better yet, the ITHACA Model 37 in AOW format with 10" barrel, to the Mossberg SHOCKWAVE.

What I'd REALLY like to find is an Ithaca AUTO-BURGLAR GUN, bored out to accept 3" Mag buckshot shells. = Out to 25M, the ABG is DEADLY on most any 2-footed or 4-footed creature with 00 or #3 buckshot; further, it's COMPACT & convenient to carry in a shoulder holster rig.

I once had one of the Ithaca AOW & had a chest-holster made for it by a leather-smith in VA, that was similar to the Army Tanker holster.
(It went back to the department armory, when I was transferred to Ft Hood.)

ANY of the 3 firearms & loaded with 00 buckshot, imo would be preferable to ANY pistol to STOP a dangerous animal (for example, a wounded lion or tiger) in its tracks at any range where the animal is likely to maul/kill/eat you.

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I see what you did there.

Do any of the aforementioned shotguns have more or less "stopping power" than the other ?
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Glad you opined.
Let's just remember that your primary firearm has failed and that .38 Super is all that stands between you and the pearly gates...

Sure there isn't another sidearm that you would like to draw from your holster?
Well, no. I just pointed out that a secondary weapon does not have to be a handgun.

There are plenty of handguns out there, from standard defensive pieces to the ".500 Magnum super short snubby" variety which are marketed for this stuff. I would prefer a lever action heavy caliber carbine to them. I would also personally prefer a firearm I had more experience with if my life depended on it.

Knowing my speed with a bolt action rifle, which you postulate has failed, a second shot from a ready lever rifle would be desirable, and I can work a lever action faster than a bolt. The Marlin "guide guns" fit that bill.

That said, a .38 Super with solid slugs from Cor Bon or Buffalo Bore would be nothing to sneeze at, as handguns go. You'd also have more rounds than a revolver and the possibility of more controllability in rapid fire than a heavy revolver would offer. Not everything is foot pounds to target, you have to hit it first. As the fellow were are discussing already knows his .38 Super, that would be to his favor in that area.
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I no longer own a double barreled sawed off. All 3 of mine are pumps. A 12 gauge Mossberg 500 ATP with a 20" barrel; a 20 gauge Mossberg 500C with an 18˝" barrel and a 12 gauge Savage M28 with an 18˝" barrel. The Savage is a twin of the Winnie Model 12.

Walt, I have no use for shotguns with no stock. Had one bit me in the lip. As soon as I got home the folding stock came off and the factory stock went back on.
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