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Old 10-04-2018, 08:22 PM   #21
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Well, experiences differ.
I can't/won't apologize for any modification that improved functional reliability. But I won't/don't have a 1911 that isn't equipped with a full length guide rod. (Yup, you either need a nylon tool or thumbs of buffalo hide for disassembly) But I've experienced a malfunction or two directly related the lack of a guide rod in my time as a simple operator. And the shorter than G.I. Issue the more pronounced the problem. (Until you have pushed home the slide with your trigger hand thumb?) Now there are alot of accuracy modifications that impingement on functional reliability, but I'll readily accept every modification that allows for mechanical repeatability and question every modification that is solely dependent on operator convenience. So excuse me if I differ with the accepted opinion. But as long as it goes bang every time at 20 feet, I think I'm going to come HOME! If the modifications I've made to the 1911 make sure it goes bang, I don't believe I'm going to apologize to anyone. Experts aside, if it makes my 1911 go bang every time, repeatedly I might be a proponent?

I'm willing to hear how many times a full length guide spring equipped 1911 failed you in action!
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Funny thing... I only know ONE person who likes the A1 arched MSH, me. lol
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I'm willing to hear how many times a full length guide spring equipped 1911 failed you in action!
Even with some of the WWI ammo we were still getting in the 1960s I never had a failure. Oh, more than once I saw the bullet in flight and watched it hit the ground 10 yards in front of what I was shooting at.

Nor did I have any failures with a FLGR installed. But rack guns.....
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Funny thing... I only know ONE person who likes the A1 arched MSH, me. lol
The last 1911 I built--a Ciener .22 on an original late '20s Colt frame--I used the arched housing because I wanted to learn to shoot one, and because the lovely old frame came with it (original late '20s piece). It took me three or four thousand rounds, and a month of holding and handling the thing while watching TV, before it didn't feel like a foreign object in my hands. Now I can shoot that gun without even remembering or thinking about it has the arched MSH, but I still prefer the flat.

I have a LW Commander with an old Pachmayr "semi-arched" MSH on it. It's right between flat and arched in contour. I don't notice or think about that one, either. I don't know if Pachmayr still offers that.
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To All,

Imo, ONE 1911 is plenty. = Mine happens to be a "parts gun" that was put together with assorted surplus parts on an aftermarket frame, by a friend at an AMU.
(Over the last 5 decades, I've owned any number of 1911 & 1911A1 pistols & have kept only "Big Ugly", as it shoots better than any of the factory guns that I've ever owned.)

It shoots beautifully but definitely isn't anything special to look at. = VERY "Plain Jane" but "MSG Bobby K_________" did a great job building me a self-defense handgun. - Money won't buy it.
ADDENDA: Fwiw, the SOLE reason that anyone might take a second look at "Big Ugly" is that it wears a BEAUTIFUL set of rosewood grips, that I got on another 1911 commercial years ago. = When I traded off or sold the pistol, I kept the grips.

Similarly, a friend who is a Ranger has a "plain vanilla" commercial 1911 from the late 1920s & that is engraved on the frame, "THD 6". = It is a former "Texas Highway Department issue" pistol that is DEADLY ACCURATE, I suspect "by chance".
(Sometimes the Colt factory assembled a handgun that simply shot better than most.)

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SW, I'm going to mildly disagree--I'm teeing up to retire the one I've been carrying for not quite half my life from duty because its immense sentimental value makes it irreplaceable, as soon as I have another that I'm not personally attached to as an "expendable-if-need-be beater gun" to replace it for daily carry. Right now I'm waffling between either first one Rock Island and later adding a second to complete the double brace, or just going straight to building the "handed" pair I doodled out back in college if I can find the left-handed parts.
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Diamondback, I think you'll find the Rock Island will give you what you're looking for, size, reliability and accuracy. That's what I carry instead of my old Colt Government Model I gifted me with when I made SSgt/E6 decades ago.

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Thanks, Top--I've looked at the basic Rock GI models, and only had minor quibbles like the shape of the grip-safety tang (I like the bigger rounded ones more like the old Springfield GI's) and the flat MSH. Usually I prefer a basic no-frills GI Issue-configuration setup right down to the stub-safety, other than bigger but still "GI-ish" sights.

Think I've posted pics of my old parts-bin warhorse before...

I WAS going to someday try to build replicas of 47's pair from the Hitman game series, but after the publisher decided to screw us and say "F*** you Americans, no goodies for you!" with the fully-loaded edition not being sold here, I've decided to cut them off on both market- and mind-share.
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It may be sacrilegious to die-hard 1911 fans, but I've come to like the external extractor on the S&W 1911's.

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Like the Fabulous Thunderbirds used to croon...

"One's too many and a hundred ain't not enough..."
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It may be sacrilegious to die-hard 1911 fans, but I've come to like the external extractor on the S&W 1911's.

Understanding the 1911 Extractor Test | Modern Service Weapons
I don't mind the external extractor. I also don't mind FLGR, though many seem to. (Didn't we just have that conversation, or did I have it on the Ruger forum?)

Deal-killers for me are squared (or otherwise oddball shaped) trigger guards, and front grippy-grooves. Not a fan of overly dropped and flared ejection ports, either. I've learned that if you have your extractor and ejector properly tuned, cases can find their way out of even the standard GI ejection port just fine. I don't like "French borders" on the slide, nor screwing around with the shapes of the front or top of the slide.

The above deal-killers, as you can see, are permanent modifications of the frame or slide. Other things I don't like but wouldn't kill a deal if the price were right, because they can be swapped out, include too-large duck butt, "skeletonized" Commander-ish hammer (I get along just fine with the 1911A1 grip safety and wide spur standard hammers on 5" and standard Commander hammers on Commander-length guns), straight-faced triggers, triggers with needless holes poked in them, too-long mag catches, and so forth. I can fix all that stuff, but would rather not have to.

All I really NEED on a standard 1911A1 (assuming 100% reliability) is sights I can see and a trigger I can pull. Flat mainspring housing/long trigger are preferable, but I can now get along with arched/short if I have to.
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I personally find the military configuration 1911's to be excellent defensive pistols. Deal killers for me are guns that don't work.

When I buy a 1911 (or any other handgun for that matter), the very first thing I do is open up the rear sight so I can see a good deal of light coming in on either side of the front sight. Even original Gi sights can be made serviceable with this little tweak. After that I want the trigger to be crisp...light weight isn't all that important to me, but crispness is a must.

As a general rule, I like most of the more common "bells & whistles" found on the modern 1911's.

For a carry pistol, it's really hard beat the LW Commander; especially when its in .38 Super.

1911's may be "obsolete" for general military use, but they are still fantastic pistols for most everything else. The 1911 is like a Mr. Potato Head...if there is anything you don't like about your pistol, there are countless options to replace it.

Currently I only have 4 1911's which seems like tooo many to me, but I think you should let your passion's "run wild" and buy however many guns you think you need.
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Is it wrong to take exception?

What knife or sidearm is the current Government Issue?

Has the .38 Super ever cut the mustard and been GI in any sidearm?

Have all the 1911's in inventory been offered to civilians?

As long as one "OPERATOR" carries a 1911, I can't say they are "obsolete" just out of favor for the moment.

Yet I have to fully agree with GunGeek, buy whatever amount you think you need. Yet, get a guarantee that you can return whatever 1911 proves to be below your approval. That way you can live to choose on another day. JMHO.
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M118LR,

I can answer a piece of your questions. = The .38 Super has NEVER been "official issue" of any national army. - That's why the .38 Super is LEGAL for civilian carry in Latin American (and some European/Asian) nations (like Mexico for example, where even the National Police cannot carry a 9mm or .45ACP) that prohibit firearms in calibers that are considered to be "weapons of war".
(As we plan to retire abroad, that's why I'm looking for a .38 Super at a decent price.)

Further, the old-school Super works at least as well for SD as a full-house .357MAG does with equivalent loads.


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I can answer a piece of your questions. = The .38 Super has NEVER been "official issue" of any national army. - That's why the .38 Super is LEGAL for civilian carry in Latin American (and some European/Asian) nations (like Mexico for example, where even the National Police cannot carry a 9mm or .45ACP) that prohibit firearms in calibers that are considered to be "weapons of war".
(As we plan to retire abroad, that's why I'm looking for a .38 Super at a decent price.)

Further, the old-school Super works at least as well for SD as a full-house .357MAG does with equivalent loads.


yours, sw
Somehow I don't believe that I could rely on "Old Slab Sides" in a caliber less than .45ACP for personal protection. JMHO.

Under the conditions you describe, I'd be forced to find a different platform to maximize the calibers available under the conditions you describe. But that's just me.
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Did the Nighthawks ever come down your way? In the 80s probably.
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M118LR,

Given that .22LR, .30 Carbine, 7.62x25, .32ACP, 7.5 Nagant, .38S&W, 9x18mm, 9x19mm, 9mm Largo & .45ACP are all PROHIBITED as "weapons as war", what caliber would you choose to carry concealed in those nations??

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