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Old 05-12-2015, 07:10 AM   #41
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I caught lot of flak for defending S&W and their "deal" with the devil." They were truly amazed at the intensity of the public reaction.

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In a way Colt displayed the same sort of arrogance and believes that the name alone will sell guns.

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What I would like to see is brilliant case hardening and blue so deep you can swim in it at a price an average Joe can afford. I think it could be done, but not easily.
I was a member of the "S&W must die" hoard for a long time. I absolutely refused to buy any Colt when they cut their product line to over priced SAAs, 1911s. I love the Colt 1911A1 I bought as a promotion gift from me to me when I made SSgt/E6. Paid $105 new in the box for it. I babble too much.

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Old 09-22-2018, 08:16 AM   #42
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Some good news for Colt? The article does not mention "Colt Defense," but Colt's Manufacturing of West Hartford, CT.

https://defence-blog.com/army/colts-...ne-rifles.html
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While I revisit this thread, I also notice dfariswheel made a prediction that really panned out!

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My best guess on a new Colt DA revolver is that it'll be something very close to the Magnum Carry.
The market for CCW revolvers is booming, and a small frame Colt would be a good seller if they can keep the price within reason.

The Magnum Carry was basically a miniature King Cobra, and the design used mostly sintered steel or MIM internal parts.

The Colt history of bad decisions is really a history of what happens to a good company under the management of a disinterested, even hostile corporation.
Colt Firearms started this huge corporation and wound up as a tiny little piece that the corporation found embarrassing.

Every year or so they got a new company president sent down from corporate, and many of them knew nothing about guns and some were suspected of being actually somewhat anti-gun.
All they wanted to do is make a splash to impress the upper management so they could get the big promotion back to corporate and shake the grubby gun industry off the soles of their shoes.

Each new president ordered models discontinued, new models introduced, and the discontinued models re-introduced in a bewildering mess that left distributors, dealers, and buyers not knowing what was going to be available or not.
Then they spent stupid amounts of money on projects that anyone with sense knew was going to be a non-starter.
Just before the sale they were spending large amounts of money on an over and under shotgun they were going to import from Italy.
This with the company in trouble, the O&U market saturated and controlled by Browning and others, and which would have had very limited sales.

The current management is concentrating on models that will sell in quantity, and are carefully NOT making dumb business decisions.
It's rather disheartening to see Colt coming on strong, but still hearing people talk about Colt as though it's 1985 and some corporate Master of Business from the Warton School of Business is still fumbling the company around.
Colt eventually re-entered the revolver market, with their new version of the Colt Cobra, a small six-shot .38 revolver. Well done, dfariswheel!

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Some good news for Colt? The article does not mention "Colt Defense," but Colt's Manufacturing of West Hartford, CT.

https://defence-blog.com/army/colts-...ne-rifles.html
Back in the late 90's ? Colt split into Colt Manufacturing and Colt Defense.
They were in the same building, separated by a chain link fence between the two sides.
Within the last couple of years they reintegrated the company into Colt Manufacturing.

It's amazing.... every few months we're told that Colt has lost a contract to make M4 carbines for the government and will quickly fold, and that the military is going to buy a totally new rifle not made by Colt.
Then Colt gets a new contract and the new rifle never gets adopted.

I've heard any number of times from real experts that the decision was long ago made that no new rifle or caliber was going to be adopted until there was a major technology break through in rifle design or ammo technology.
Since the M16 series is entirely satisfactory they can't justify buying a new rifle for so little gain over the current series. You may see upgrades like the switch from the 3-shot burst M4 to the heavy barrel full-auto M4A1, but that's it.

So, until someone makes a technology break-through like a laser rifle in the 40 megawatt range, or a caseless ammunition that actually works, it's going to be the M16 series, and since Colt is a top maker, Colt will continue getting contracts to build it.

Another indication about the M16 series longevity is that every time I see some foreign military in some out of the way place, they're armed with the M16 series.
I recently saw on TV news some really obscure country somewhere in the "stans" that were armed with the M4.
I see even countries like England and France in various sand countries armed with the M4 even though they have their own designs of 5.56 rifles.
That may be to limit supply problems by arming with the same rifle the US uses, but it seems that a lot of countries Special Ops forces use the Colt M4 by choice.
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Another indication about the M16 series longevity is that every time I see some foreign military in some out of the way place, they're armed with the M16 series.
I recently saw on TV news some really obscure country somewhere in the "stans" that were armed with the M4.
I see even countries like England and France in various sand countries armed with the M4 even though they have their own designs of 5.56 rifles.
That may be to limit supply problems by arming with the same rifle the US uses, but it seems that a lot of countries Special Ops forces use the Colt M4 by choice.
Some time ago I read a comment (it may have been on this forum) made in response to the oft-heard assertion that the AK-47 is a great rifle, as evidenced by the sheer numbers in service around the world.

"The only countries who use AK's," the commenter said, "are the ones who can't afford M-16's."
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The AK is a perfectly acceptable service rifle. I'm not sure how preferable it is, there are so many around the world that are just beat to death. A newly manufactured AK74 as made by Russia or Bulgaria are very good rifles.

That said, there are few soldiers who really want an AK over the M4. Stoner's invention has matured exceptionally well.
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The AK that I'd like to have is one of the ones carried by the security people at the Polish Embassy in DC, which is all machined. = BEAUTIFUL work.

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Way back in Colts hay days, when the CPD issued Colt Pythons, somehow a S&W Target Sighted 645 found its way into my holster. Since I was casually assigned as Marine Unit Diver, (with a couple of extra qualifications) perhaps I wasn't competent enough to understand the intricacies of how a .357 Mag Colt Revolver was preferential to the then most modern LEO version of the Service 1911? But once Colt ground it's craftsmen under thier thumb, (all those blue collared folks that gave wage concessions for Retirement benefits) the "COLT" brand became synonymous with chiseling misers in My Humble Opinion. Somehow it seems that there isn't a "COLT" product in any of my firearms lockers.
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