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Old 10-22-2006, 07:03 AM   #1
 
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Most accurate (reasonably priced) automatic pistol

Gentlemen,

I'm sure this has been asked before but need some help. I'm in the process of buying my next mid priced automatic pistol and prefer "out of the box" accuracy over looks, and/or mag capacity. I'm not a great shot, so the better the tool, the better the range experience!!! Any suggestions??

I have a Beretta 92FS, and a SIG P220. Both are extremely accurate. Also, I'm not hung up on the caliber.

Thanks for your opinions!!!
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Old 10-22-2006, 07:29 AM   #2
 
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I paid $369.00 for my Ruger KP95D several years ago. The recoil springs tend to become uncaptured due to the flimsy collar retainer but, otherwise, it is a solid performer. Reasonably accurate and 100% reliable through 6,000 rounds of various factory ammo, including +P+ Federal 9BPLE.
Even for a 9mm, the recoil is negligible due to the thick polymer frame(although the gun only weighs 27 ounces unloaded). Easy to keep on target for follow-up shots.
Mine has the older grip design which might get slick without a Hogue Handall or similar slip-on aftermarket grip.
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Old 10-22-2006, 08:46 AM   #3
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Not hung up on cailber? Want to improve your shooting? There's no better accuracy-for-the-buck deal available than a gently used Ruger Mark II in .22LR. Accurate, reliable, will last forever, and I'll bet it would soon become your most-shot gun.

As you are already heavily into service pistols, you might prefer one of the 22/45 variants with the (somewhat) 1911-ish grip.
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I picked up a RIA 1911 a month ago, and its unbeleivably accurate for the money. For $325, it would be tough to beat.
The new Taurus 1911's are even better, though more expensive. Mine has a great trigger, and after about 350 rounds, no problems at all. But they are tough to find. Roughly $480-590. You could spend $300 dollars more on a more prestigious name, but it will only be for the name.
In my opinion, those two guns are the best deals on the market right now for full sized calibres.
But if a .22 is ok, you can get a heck of a target pistol for under $400, maybe for half that.
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Strongly second the .22 if you want to get better at shooting.
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Strongly second the .22 if you want to get better at shooting.
I will third it and throw in at less then 15 bucks per 500 rounds you can shoot all day..

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I would agree on the .22, but I would not push for Ruger to be that choice. Most of the newer .22's on the market are good guns, and much easier than the Ruger to disassemble and clean and then re-assemble!

I have heard it joked that it takes more than 2 hands to put together a Ruger until you are experienced at it. The S&W 22 series, the Beretta NEOS, or the Sig Trailside are guns that pop in my mind easily when thinking of brand name guns you may want to look at.
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Just my two cent...

Once you learn the trick to re-assembling the Ruger, it is a piece of cake. Im my own humble opinion I think the Ruger is the greatest .22 autoloader ever built~~~simply an incredible gun.

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Old 10-22-2006, 08:10 PM   #9
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Bush -- re-read your post --- "Once you learn the trick" ---

Have you handled any of the guns I named? The Smith simply requires pushing a button and lifting the slide --- reverse to re-assemble.

One of the reasons alot of people LOVE the Glock is that it is easy do disassemble and re-assemble -- I know I can do it without even looking at the gun -- and I have been able to do it one handed just to prove a point to a customer!

I am not saying that Ruger makes a bad gun, but when comparing head to head my point is one consideration to weigh in making a choice/purchase.
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mike,
You're right, of course...excellent guns, all, and with better and more user-friendly features. You would think that Ruger would have made
things a bit simpler for non-gunsmiths to work on their little .22
auto-loader.
However, Ruger did invent a true Classic with the Standard Auto.
Its incredibly robust~~~you wouldn't believe what mine has been through~~~and to this day it remains reliable and accurate, and all for a fairly low price (at least, back when I bought it 30 years ago!) Perhaps I was thinking "price points" when I wrote my reply...but then that can change over time, too...

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So there is a little learning to go with the mkII family. I have many 22 pistols the Ruger takes the prize every time. If you factor in longevity, reliability, accuracy and ability to be customizable whats better?

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I picked up a RIA 1911 a month ago, and its unbeleivably accurate for the money. For $325, it would be tough to beat.
The new Taurus 1911's are even better, though more expensive. Mine has a great trigger, and after about 350 rounds, no problems at all. But they are tough to find. Roughly $480-590. You could spend $300 dollars more on a more prestigious name, but it will only be for the name.
In my opinion, those two guns are the best deals on the market right now for full sized calibres.
But if a .22 is ok, you can get a heck of a target pistol for under $400, maybe for half that.
Having all three of these myself, I couldn't agree more.
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So there is a little learning to go with the mkII family. I have many 22 pistols the Ruger takes the prize every time. If you factor in longevity, reliability, accuracy and ability to be customizable whats better?
Travis,

Ruger does make a good reliable weapon, but as I said (not being arguementative) there are others in the market that have good reputations and don't require a "learning curve" in order to take the gun apart for cleaning. As a Dealer and Collector I have multiple of most guns either in stock or in my collection.

While alot of target shooters love the Ruger, there are plenty that swear by other guns also. As to longevity, even though they are not made any more, there are plenty of High Standard .22's still being used . They started production of their .22LR Semi Auto in 1932 and some form of the company produced guns up to closing in 1984. Our Esteemed Charlie Petty is a serious collector of High Standard Pistols -- he even authored a book Amazon Link on them in 1999.
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Here's the sole High Standard that I own. I truly wish I had my first one back. I used it in 1956-57 for the rimfire leg of bull's eye shooting. Liked it far more than the later owned Woodsman Deluxe with heavy 6" barrel. The most prominent gun on the line then was the Ruger Mark I with a Douglas barrel. While the Ruger was inexpensive, I couldn't afford the barrel work so stayed with my "lowly" HS.
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The Ruger is a snap to strip for cleaning, and reassemble too, if you know the trick. See here:

http://www.1bad69.com/ruger/field_strip_quick.htm

Notice the fourth step in reassembly. This is the one most people don't know or forget about (and only eventually hit on accidentally, after many cuss words). Do that and it all snaps right back together.
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Thanks everyone. I really appreciate your opinions!!!
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Sam, you'll be pleased (I hope) to know that my only HS pistol looks almost identical to yours, except for black plastic grips and smaller fixed sights. Lovely gun that I don't shoot as often as I should.
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Very pleased, Snake.
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I have a older 41 smith and a older second series match target woodsman. Both are worth their weight in gold, especially in the world of learning how to shoot well.

I have a ruger mk1 that I have used a fair amount but once I got a feeling for what a .22 could be, I got over the ruger fairly fast.
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Old 10-25-2006, 12:28 PM   #20
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We have Mk I, Mk II, and 22/45 variants. Some are over 30 years old, well over. I also own a High Standard Model 103, a Navy Arms Olympic, and a set of various .22 lr revolvers. Whenever I teach a new person, the Rugers always come up being their choice. That says a lot.

The Browning Buckmarks, the various S&W semis, and the others mentioned are also great weapons. However, when most people think of a semi-auto .22, they think of a Ruger. The Trailside is available now through CDNN. The various S&W .22 pistols seem to lack the versatility of the Ruger, and lack the reputation given to the Ruger. The new High Standard pistols have had a history of QC problems, with the older one's prices now climbing like a jet with a SAM after it.

Buy whatever you want, just handle it first. Preferably, shoot it first, as well.



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