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Old 03-22-2006, 10:00 AM   #1
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I just read Walt's article in the May 06 CH on the Kahr P45 and he brings up a common complaint against these guns--the sharp edges on the slide stop. When I read this, I remarked to myself, "What is it going to take to get Kahr off their butts to fix this problem?"

Every Kahr I have come across has had this same problem. I owned a P9 for a short time, and it was just as Walt described. The 3 Kahrs that my brother bought (a P9 and a few of the "Elite" series .40 cals) also had the same problem--he sent all of them off to a gunsmith to smooth the edges.. The CW9 that I saw at the gunshop last week still had the same problem.

I once called Kahr about this and got a rather lukewarm response. They didn't seem particularly concerned.

Walt has mentioned it in print, and he's not the first. If I recall correctly, I've seen Mas Ayoob complain about it too. There's probably a few others that I've missed.

Kahr seems to be a progressive company with a good eye for design. Why can't they get the hint and fix this problem? It doesn't seem like it would be very hard to fix, and if I had high profile writers consistently complaining about a feature on one of my designs, I think I'd want to rectify it right away.

Kahr makes a great gun. I really like the design. I just don't like this flaw.

Can any of the learned members of the forum offer any insight as to why Kahr is so obstinate in their refusal to fix an obvious weakness in the design? I can't imagine that "Cost" is the issue, as it doesn't take much to polish the part during assembly.


V/R
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Old 03-22-2006, 11:18 AM   #2
 
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Mike,

I sure couldn't answer for Kahr. I have a relatively new Kahr 45. I've owned it a couple of months now, and have fired it approximately 500 rounds. I also have a CW9 model that I have fired about twice that much, and I have not noticed the slide stop to be a problem on either one of them. I guess I'd better investigate to see what I'm missing.

I owned a Smith & Wesson 4586 on which the slide stop stuck out farther than I liked, so I removed it from the gun and proceeded to grind, file and polish it to a shape that better suited me. It was a satin finished stainless steel firearm, and the only noticeable sign of my work was the fact that the polished area was shinier than the rest of the satin finish.

I will tell you that I am very positively impressed with both these Kahr firearms. They have both functioned very well, and I am pleased with the controllability of the .45. It is only marginally larger than the 9MM, and very little heavier, but it is easy to shoot well and it's easy to carry. I like both very much.
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Old 03-22-2006, 04:12 PM   #3
 
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Re: Kahr

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Originally Posted by Ten Driver
I just read Walt's article in the May 06 CH on the Kahr P45 and he brings up a common complaint against these guns--the sharp edges on the slide stop. When I read this, I remarked to myself, "What is it going to take to get Kahr off their butts to fix this problem?"

V/R
Mike
Human nature is strange is the best answer I know. Not everyone notices the sharp edge as they grip the gun in a manner different from others.

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Old 03-23-2006, 09:38 AM   #4
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Hi Pudge,

Glad you're enjoying your new .45 so much! I'm also glad that you don't have or don't notice any sharp edges on your slide stop, as that takes some of the fun out of it. You're right about these being great little guns. As I mentioned, I really like the design, but I don't like the sharp edge on that part.

I didn't own the P9 long enought to modify the slide stop as you mentioned. I've had to do it on the cylinder latch on some of my S&W revolvers however! So I guess Kahr is not alone in that respect.

Walt is right--everyone grips a gun differently, so not everyone gets affected by it. I'm just surprised that Kahr hasn't fixed it so that it bothers nobody, especially when they get negative press on it.

Thanks for the replies gents. Enjoy those new .45s.

V/R

Mike
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Old 03-23-2006, 07:27 PM   #5
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I just did a T&E of the Kahr P45 as well and noted the same. It's not real bad, but I was shooting on a very cold day which exacerbated the problem. I decided to keep the one I tested and the slide is off getting a set of MMC night sights installed. I guess this weekend I'll take the slide stop to the bench grinder and fix that little annoyance.

In the grand scheme of things, if that's the only complaint you have with Kahr, then you've found the perfect gun for you. If all I had to do was dehorn a slide stop to all my other custom guns to be perfect, I'd be laughing all the way to the bank

Walt,

I missed your review...I think my subscription to Handguns ran out last month and I've been delinquent in renewing. I'll have to pick up a copy since I did a review also...I'd like to see your impressions since I value your opinions.

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Old 03-24-2006, 03:04 AM   #6
 
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While I do write for both "Handguns" and Combat Handguns" the review ran in the latter.
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Old 03-24-2006, 09:54 AM   #7
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The MK9 and P40 don't bother me at all, but I've got thin hands. Round that edge off and enjoy a great pistol !

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Old 03-24-2006, 12:20 PM   #8
 
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May I say that you write very well, Mr. Rauch? I always enjoy your articles and advice. And I reread my copy of your book occasionally and enjoy that as well. I also read your review of the Kahr 45 in CH and found it worthwhile. I appreciate the background of your experience that affects your opinion of things gun related.

I inspected both my Kahrs last evening and don't find either terribly offensive to me as regards the sharp edges on the slide stop lever. But I'll agree that it wouldn't hurt a thing to slightly break the edges of the pieces. It wouldn't take much to do that. I guess the only sharp edges I have noticed on the guns are the "grenade" type checkering on the front of the grip area. It doesn't bother me, in fact it works very well, but I do notice the presence of the raised portions of the polymer there.
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Old 03-24-2006, 06:21 PM   #9
 
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Thanks for the compliment. Re the checkering, you can wear it off by lots of shooting or use some VERY fine sandpaper.
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Old 03-24-2006, 07:11 PM   #10
 
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I believe remodeling that "checkering" by lots of shooting would be imminently more fun and worthwhile than to do it with the sandpaper! I shall continue my efforts to smooth the stuff out a bit using both hands!!
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Old 07-23-2006, 11:25 PM   #11
 
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Kahr .45acp?

So Walt? How many rounds have you fired through the little Kahr .45?
I'm a tad concerned about a bit of whiskering of plastic from the forward frame rails at around 250rds so far of Blazer ball.
I've decided this isn't a range gun and will leave that chore to the working guns.
Thanks!
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Old 07-24-2006, 03:28 PM   #12
 
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Right now I'm not sure. You see I had this small gun bag full of ammo, extra magazines, 15 shooters who also has their own ammo so ...

Why not try to wear the gun out? It's not as though you are shooting a 150 year old family heirloom.
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Old 07-24-2006, 07:41 PM   #13
 
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Thanks Walt,

Probably will, we'll have a spare one showing up soon as partial "tip" from a hunting/fishing trip that's become an annual thing for a certain firearms manufacturer.
We've gotten bored breaking Glocks and after just a tad over 110K the Beretta 92 STS gave up part of it's forward rightside frame rail to become a designated .22LR conversion...
I'll start stocking up on Blazer and try to fit up a polishing stone to slightly radius the inside of the slide rails.
Thanks again!
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