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Old 05-25-2020, 08:30 AM   #21
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I HOPE AND PRAY that's not a "preview of coming attractions" for the US.

I have a feeling that the 2020 election with whoever wins the other side will call foul.I say whoever since mail in ballots is on the rise in the blue states as they fear the dreaded "second wave" first wave was a bust.
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I HOPE AND PRAY that's not a "preview of coming attractions" for the US.

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That makes SEVERAL of us.

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csmkersh,

Inasmuch as you brought up what was being routinely carried as sidearms by our TEXAS RANGERS, the Colt's New Service & S&W WWI- issue revolvers in .45ACP were VERY COMMON because they could be bought so cheaply after WWI, as well as Colt's 1911 in .45ACP.
(I don't think that any past/present LEO would say that the New Service revolvers were UNSUITABLE for police work.)

Some Rangers were also packing Colt's Model of 1909 revolvers too.

The WWI surplus Colt's & S&W revolvers were freely available to peace officers for as little as 2.oo each & .45BALL ammo was as little as 1.oo per hundred & fifty rounds.

Note: In those long-ago days, RANGERS got paid "peanuts". - In point of fact, I've heard my mother state that her friend Mrs. Allieen Arnold, who was the wife of Ranger Robert "Red" Arnold, said that, "I had to get a job shortly after the war (WWII), so that we could afford for Bob to BE a Texas Ranger."
(EMPHASIS: MINE)

INTERESTING FACT: By 1933, the TOTAL number of Texas Motor Patrol officers, for the whole State, was only 18 troopers. = There was NO DPS at that time & those few troopers worked for the Texas Highway Department & were supervised by the SENIOR HIGHWAY ENGINEER in each THD district.
(That is ONE reason that in those days that the Governor could swear in SPECIAL RANGERS, who did NOT get paid, as there was simply NO MONEY during The Great Depression to pay more than 18 State Troopers & VERY LITTLE MONEY to pay our Rangers.)

NOTE: Ranger Frank Hamer was NOT BEING PAID by the State, on the day that he & his "posse" killed Bonnie Parker & Clyde Barrow in LA. = CPT. Hamer was a VOLUNTEER & "had his out of pocket expenses paid" by a Kilgore oilman.

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The Colt and S&W revolvers were available to the public for years as well. There were a few in .45 Colt but the vast majority were .45ACP. Most needed moon clips but some were chamber to head space on the ACP's brass. Special Rangers often worked as brand inspectors at auctions to supplement the meager to non-existent pay. Once Ma was voted out in 1936 the legislature reinstated the Rangers.

Frank Hamer was "retired" by Gov "Ma" Ferguson in 1932 along with the rest of the Rangers. She called him in and made him and his partner "highway men," no commissions, but ordered to get Bonnie and Clyde, period and would not have been able to afford the chase except for the supportof a Texas oil man. After following them all over the U.S. despite not having any authority outside Texas and damned little even there, he convinced the Sheriff of Bienville Parish, Louisiana, that maybe the sheriff ought to get a posse together and ambush the pair. There were over 100 bullet holes in the 1934 Ford they died in.

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csmkersh,

EXACTLY CORRECT. _Mariam Ferguson was a CROOK & NOTHING MORE than that, as was "Pa" Ferguson.


Charles Joiner from Kilgore paid CPT Hamer & the posse too.


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csmkersh,

I have SEEN the "Death Car" at the Dallas Fair some 30+ years ago. = SHOT TO PIECES.


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csm kersh,

And a REAL MESS.

BTW, Edgar J. "KINKY" Bohannon, who was with the PARKER-BARROW gang, worked for my grandfather when I was a kid. - I once as my uncle about him & he said, "WELLLLLLL, as far as I know he hasn't killed anybody in THIS county. He's pretty good help for 'sawmill trash'.".

Note: He survived the shootout in LA because he was
sick with a bad cold that day.

I tried, W/O success to interview "Kinky" when I was in college for a school writing project. - He said NO & that he had killed at least a dozen people that he was never tried for, so he didn't feel that he could tell me the TRUTH.
(He spent 15 years at HUNTSVILLE for kidnapping & was paroled to our county for LIFE.)


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csmkersh,

I have SEEN the "Death Car" at the Dallas Fair some 30+ years ago. = SHOT TO PIECES.


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Who hasn't? I saw it at a strip mall in the early '70s or maybe even late '60s.

I've heard rumors that there have been at least half a dozen "B&C Death Cars" touring over the years, some of them even at the same time. It's been said that if you had a '34 Ford Fordor and a few guns and some ammo, you had a career!
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I doubt that the Texas DPS would have participated in an outright FRAUD.

The "Bonnie & Clyde car" that I found OUTRIGHT AMUSING was the "display" in FL about 25years ago of a 1935 Chevy coupe that was claimed to be be THE REAL "Death Car". =When it was pointed out that the REAL CAR was a 1934 FORD, the "owner" claimed that the photos in the Louisiana newspapers & in the Parish SO archives were FAKES.

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Snake45 & All,

ONE "government FRAUD & tapestry of lies" is the FBI's claim to have killed John Dillinger outside the theater, after "Dillinger was pointed out by the lady in red". = SA Purvis & his agents DID kill "somebody" but who the deceased actually was is still a MYSTERY.

OBVIOUSLY, if one reads the original autopsy report, it could NOT have been Dillinger, as whomever that the deceased was, he had all of his natural teeth.
(John Dillinger had had all of his rotten teeth pulled & replaced with false teeth while an inmate of a prison farm years before his reported death & medical records still exist of him complaining bitterly about how poorly that his false teeth fit & caused him constant pain.)

The "vaunted" FBI has ALWAYS been really good at promoting the MYTH of the FBI as "America's best LE agency" & "perfect in every way".

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Even some of Dillenger's family didn't believe it was him.

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csmkersh,

TRUE.

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Old 06-16-2020, 01:54 PM   #33
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SW,

Why not look at conversion to .40 Super?

I know where a bunch of the ammo for those is sitting. Get a 40 Super Barrel, put in heavier springs and a shok-buff and you then have a 40 super setup gun!
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Stan Watie is a Texican, through and through. The .38 Super in a 1911 was a favorite of the Rangers when Texas was a hard place in the 1915-1040s.

Oh, and welcome aboard from another Texican.

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Never having heard of the .40 Super-unless it's the 10 mm under an alias-one wonders what the ammo supply might be like OCONUS?
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csmkersh; William R Moore; All,

Have you ever even HEARD OF a cartridge called ".40 Super"??
(I have NOT.)

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I've heard of the .45 Magnum. Have a partial box of factory loads, a barrel and recoil spring that converted my stock 1911 to the load. Decided to stick with standard .45ACP and stored it all for my youngest to do with it as he pleases after I shuffle off.
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To All,

As I had never even HEARD OF a handgun/cartridge called ".40 Super", so I "went to the internet search engines" & found that the /40 Super is based the .45 Winchester Mag cartridge case shortened to .90 inch & necked down to caliber .40.

I also found out that ONLY handguns that are suitable (and usually chambered for) .45ACP can be converted to .40 Super, by changing the barrel alone.

NO 9x19mm handgun that I own can be converted to .40 Super, so that's OUT for me, unless I wanted to go buy a ".45 ACP size" handgun.
Further inquiry revealed that NO current manufacturer makes either handguns in .40 Super OR makes "after market" barrels in that caliber. for converting .45 ACP pistols

Also, NO current commercial cartridge loader makes a .40 Super cartridges for sale, so whatever "old stock" is actually available is ALL that there likely ever will be.
Thereafter, .40 Super seems to be a "handloading proposition" ONLY & reloading dies are NOT "commonly available", though "special order dies", as of this time, appear to be available "at a high price".

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To All,

While "digging about on the Worldwideweird" I discovered that there is a VERY SIMILAR cartridge to the .45ACP that is NOT considered to be "a weapon of war" AND that most standard .45 ACP handguns will chamber WITHOUT ANY CHANGE whatever.

The cartridge is called: 11.45x24mm. = The ONLY difference in .45ACP & 11.45x24mm is 1mm in case length. - The LOADED cartridge length is the SAME as .45ACP, so standard magazines will work WELL.
Also, standard .45ACP loading dies CAN be load the 11.45x24mm cartridge.

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