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Doughboy · 01-08-2020, 07:22 PM

csmkersh,

Something similar happened at Firebase Tiger in RVN, over near the Laos border between an A Team, about 40 SVN Rangers & a Mike Force of about 300 "Hill people" when the firebase faced at least 4000 NVA Regulars & a large but unknown number of PFVN/VC fighters.

The machine-gunners had to STOP firing several times to remove the bodies of the enemy soldiers, as the gunners couldn't SEE over the piles of bodies.

yours, sw

TommyGunn · 01-08-2020, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Doughboy

GunGeek,

TRUTH IS that the ball ammo for the .30 Carbine is INADEQUATE to stop a determined charging enemy soldier, absent a shot directly to the brain, spine or heart.
(Good wounding carbine but a REALLY POOR stopper.)

You may want to re-read my post about NATEEH's experience with trying to STOP a Korean officer with the M1 carbine (despite repeated solid hits to his torso) & that my dear friend afterwards got a GARAND, so that he had a STOPPING rifle for close combat.

yours, sw

I once had a chance to peruse a medical document my mother had been given by a childhood friend who'd been a medic in the Pacific in WW2. It had a large number of stories about soldiers being shot that were "failures to stop." Many had been shot by rifle bullets.
If one is hopped up on drugs (not unheard of for Japanese soldiers) or even adrenaline, body shots may not stop the victim immediatly.
There were American soldiers shot who didn't even realize they'd been shot until after the battle.... often extremity wounds which proved nonfatal anyway.

One story of an American soldier taking a Japanese rifle bullet straight through his brain that didn't even know he'd been shot, until minutes later, when his c.o. took his helmet off to show him the bullet hole.
The bullet had gone precisely between the left and right hemisphere of his brain. Pre-cise-ly.
Wierd things happen in war. Yet, wars tally up the dead pretty quickly, nevertheless.

IrishCop · 01-09-2020, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TommyGunn

One story of an American soldier taking a Japanese rifle bullet straight through his brain that didn't even know he'd been shot, until minutes later, when his c.o. took his helmet off to show him the bullet hole.
The bullet had gone precisely between the left and right hemisphere of his brain. Pre-cise-ly.

Wierd things happen in war. Yet, wars tally up the dead pretty quickly, nevertheless.

Emerson, Lake and Palmer wrote Lucky Man just for him.

Doughboy · 01-09-2020, 02:51 PM

IrishCop,

One of the stranger true stories from WWI came from a US Marine who caught a bullet in the helmet, which penetrated the left-front part of the helmet, traveled around the inside of the liner & struck him in the left rear of his head & OPENED UP his scalp from one side to the other BUT did not penetrate the skull. = CPL Lightfoot was thereafter know among his friends as IRONHEAD.

He reportedly said, "It didn't hurt much but it sure bled like hell."

yours, sw

SpecialEd · 01-09-2020, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by IrishCop

Emerson, Lake and Palmer wrote Lucky Man just for him.

The protagonist of Lucky Man dies from a bullet wound.

"A bullet had found him.
his blood ran as he cried.
No money could save him,
so he lay down and he died."

Diamondback · 01-10-2020, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TommyGunn

I once had a chance to peruse a medical document my mother had been given by a childhood friend who'd been a medic in the Pacific in WW2. It had a large number of stories about soldiers being shot that were "failures to stop." Many had been shot by rifle bullets.
If one is hopped up on drugs (not unheard of for Japanese soldiers) or even adrenaline, body shots may not stop the victim immediatly.
There were American soldiers shot who didn't even realize they'd been shot until after the battle.... often extremity wounds which proved nonfatal anyway.

One story of an American soldier taking a Japanese rifle bullet straight through his brain that didn't even know he'd been shot, until minutes later, when his c.o. took his helmet off to show him the bullet hole.
The bullet had gone precisely between the left and right hemisphere of his brain. Pre-cise-ly.
Wierd things happen in war. Yet, wars tally up the dead pretty quickly, nevertheless.

Hell, IIRC the scumbags in the Miami Massacre were still fighting after a point when they'd be considered "clinically dead"... never underestimate the danger of a determined, potentially adrenally- and/or chemically amped-up threat, until they completely stop moving.

Javlin · 01-11-2020, 08:09 AM

SO.........the only solution seems..

Doughboy · 01-11-2020, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Javlin

SO.........the only solution seems..

Javlin,

CERTAINLY EFFECTIVE but difficult to hand carry & you would need a platoon of ammo bearers to follow the gunner about his missions.

Btw, according to my Uncle "PeeWee" (He acquired his nickname as he weighed 109 pounds when he graduated from boot camp.), who was on the beach with the Naval Landing Party at TARAWA a Marine E5 named AMOS was so effective with his MG that the company commander assigned 5 enlisted Marines to carry belts of ammo for the SGT's gun.

yours, sw

Doughboy · 01-11-2020, 08:58 AM

DUPLICATE = SORRY.

yours, sw

William R. Moore · 01-30-2020, 12:23 PM

I think I've mentioned this before, but......back in my college days I met 3 guys in a couple weeks who'd lost part of a hand to sword wielding Japanese after being hit with carbine loads. In all cases this was with the first model of carbine where the safety and mag release buttons were both push buttons and they managed to drop their mags while releasing the safety. Each got off the chambered round and then "click"!

The one guy had a photo of himself posing with his late adversary while pointing to the impact point of his bullet. (dead center but right below the rib cage) Fortunately, the guy next to him had a Thompson and managed to shoot the sword wielder off.

Doughboy · 01-30-2020, 05:58 PM

To All,

Speaking of WEIRD things that happen in war, a friend of my father's, SGT H.F. Muckelroy, USAAC, fell out of the bomb-bay door of a B-17 THREE times during WWII (while each time trying to kick a "stuck bomb loose") & finally died of old age in 1989.

In those 3 FALLS, his most "severe injury" was a severed left forefinger & a badly sprained right ankle. = He told me that on his third fall that, "I thought that I was going to drown but a local Italian fisherman pulled me out of the ocean."
(His other two "unplanned landings" were into DEEP snowbanks.)

yours, sw

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01-08-2020, 07:22 PM	#21
Doughboy Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 534	csmkersh, Something similar happened at Firebase Tiger in RVN, over near the Laos border between an A Team, about 40 SVN Rangers & a Mike Force of about 300 "Hill people" when the firebase faced at least 4000 NVA Regulars & a large but unknown number of PFVN/VC fighters. The machine-gunners had to STOP firing several times to remove the bodies of the enemy soldiers, as the gunners couldn't SEE over the piles of bodies. yours, sw

01-09-2020, 02:51 PM	#24
Doughboy Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 534	IrishCop, One of the stranger true stories from WWI came from a US Marine who caught a bullet in the helmet, which penetrated the left-front part of the helmet, traveled around the inside of the liner & struck him in the left rear of his head & OPENED UP his scalp from one side to the other BUT did not penetrate the skull. = CPL Lightfoot was thereafter know among his friends as IRONHEAD. He reportedly said, "It didn't hurt much but it sure bled like hell." yours, sw

01-30-2020, 12:23 PM	#30
William R. Moore Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,533	I think I've mentioned this before, but......back in my college days I met 3 guys in a couple weeks who'd lost part of a hand to sword wielding Japanese after being hit with carbine loads. In all cases this was with the first model of carbine where the safety and mag release buttons were both push buttons and they managed to drop their mags while releasing the safety. Each got off the chambered round and then "click"! The one guy had a photo of himself posing with his late adversary while pointing to the impact point of his bullet. (dead center but right below the rib cage) Fortunately, the guy next to him had a Thompson and managed to shoot the sword wielder off.

01-30-2020, 05:58 PM	#31
Doughboy Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 534	To All, Speaking of WEIRD things that happen in war, a friend of my father's, SGT H.F. Muckelroy, USAAC, fell out of the bomb-bay door of a B-17 THREE times during WWII (while each time trying to kick a "stuck bomb loose") & finally died of old age in 1989. In those 3 FALLS, his most "severe injury" was a severed left forefinger & a badly sprained right ankle. = He told me that on his third fall that, "I thought that I was going to drown but a local Italian fisherman pulled me out of the ocean." (His other two "unplanned landings" were into DEEP snowbanks.) yours, sw