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Old 08-18-2010, 06:50 AM   #1
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If you could design your own handgun, what would it...

...look like / what features would it have?

For me personally, Id probably start with the Browning Hi Power as my canvass:

Beavertail on the rear of the frame (even though a Hi Powr has never once bitten me, I know it bites others)
Scandium frame
Move the magazine safety off the trigger (like the Hi Power Competition model)
Extend the grip about
Heinie Tritium sights (three dot, orange front, green on back)
Synthetic grips in the same shape as Craig Spegels famous Hi Power grips (Unkle Mikes comes close, but still a touch oversized).
Extended safety, but there are none that I think are truly satisfactory, so Id have to make my own that would look rather similar to the old Wayne Novak safety.
And of course, wed do a metallurgical upgrade on the top half to better accommodate +Ps
I would also make sure .40 & 9mm slides will interchange.
Lastly, Id want to have a .22lr conversion unit as a training option.
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Old 08-18-2010, 09:55 AM   #2
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Re: If you could design your own handgun, what would it...

The aforementioned modifications to the BHP are a good start but . . . starting from a Mk III . . .

* I'd try to do something about the trigger - in particular, I'd try to re-engineer it for a shorter reset.
* NO magazine disconnect at all.
* Scandium frame would be an option, but steel would remain standard - maybe with a Tenifer-like finish. (Hmmm . . . maybe a stainless BHP . . . )
* I'd make the front of the grip frame just a little thicker, so it could be checkered or stippled.
* Keep the grip the same length.
* Spegel-type grips in cocobolo, lignum vitae, or ebony.
* Beveled magazine well
* Checkered backstrap
* General dehorning
* One piece barrel

Not sure about the sights . . .

As far as strength goes, some years back American Rifleman reported that a BHP digested 5000 rounds of Remington +P+ ammo without difficulty, so "mere" +P should be no problem in the guns they're making now.
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Re: If you could design your own handgun, what would it...

Okay, I'll play.

Colt Detective Special, all-steel frame, +P .38 rated
3" untapered barrel (similar to post-1972 Police Positive)
Semi-underlug--only long enough to enclose the ejector rod
.150" wide ramped front sight with Tritium insert
Small dovetailed rear sight (not unlike a WWII GI 1911A1), with gap sized to match the oversize front sight
Half-wide, smooth trigger
Full spurred hammer; spurless extra hammer fitted for easy swap-out when desired
Satin black finish of some kind
Put it on a post-1972 (short gripframe) and I'll play around with grips till I find something I like both the looks and the feel of.
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Re: If you could design your own handgun, what would it...

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Okay, I'll play.

Colt Detective Special, all-steel frame, +P .38 rated
3" untapered barrel (similar to post-1972 Police Positive)
Semi-underlug--only long enough to enclose the ejector rod
.150" wide ramped front sight with Tritium insert
Small dovetailed rear sight (not unlike a WWII GI 1911A1), with gap sized to match the oversize front sight
Half-wide, smooth trigger
Full spurred hammer; spurless extra hammer fitted for easy swap-out when desired
Satin black finish of some kind
Put it on a post-1972 (short gripframe) and I'll play around with grips till I find something I like both the looks and the feel of.
I thought S&W made that gun; Model 10 3" HB with round butt. (very cool revolvers if you ask me).
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Old 08-18-2010, 10:33 AM   #5
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Re: If you could design your own handgun, what would it...

Okay, along those lines...

As of late I've been thinking about a Scandium K frame in an 8 shot .327 Federal with 3" barrel and fixed sights.

Now if we return to the Colt's Detective Special, I would love to see one in a 5 shot, full moon clip .40 S&W.
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Okay, I'll play.

Colt Detective Special, all-steel frame, +P .38 rated
3" untapered barrel (similar to post-1972 Police Positive)
Semi-underlug--only long enough to enclose the ejector rod
.150" wide ramped front sight with Tritium insert
Small dovetailed rear sight (not unlike a WWII GI 1911A1), with gap sized to match the oversize front sight
Half-wide, smooth trigger
Full spurred hammer; spurless extra hammer fitted for easy swap-out when desired
Satin black finish of some kind
Put it on a post-1972 (short gripframe) and I'll play around with grips till I find something I like both the looks and the feel of.
I thought S&W made that gun; Model 10 3" HB with round butt. (very cool revolvers if you ask me).
Yes, it would be very close to that. My Dick Spec will be a little lighter, and will offer lots more latitude in grip design/shape due to the shorter grip frame, with shorter trigger reach.

Plus which, mine would be something that just everyone can't buy over the counter.
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Re: If you could design your own handgun, what would it...

Only one small problem... Colt quit making DA revolvers and I'm pretty sure nobody would be willing to start over again

The idea of a small revolver in .40 is intriguing.
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Personally, I'd start with a Fitted Hard ChromeFrame and Blued Slide from Paul Leibenberg, a Kart Barrel& Bushing, a set of Meprolite Hi-Vis Fixed Combat sights with Tritium inserts, Wilson Combat Bullet-proof Extractor and firing-pin, fitted oversize firing-pin stop, Wolff 16 pound spring and a SS plug. Then, finish the back of the slide at 30LPI. That takes care of the upper.

Frame-30LPI on the frontstrap, a discretely opened magwell at 45 degrees, shorten slightly and radius a Ed Brown tactical slide release end and countersink the rightside hole, fit a long Vedecki Speed trigger, Wolff Mainspring& hammer spring, C&S flat Mainspring housing, blued at 30LPI, Wilson Combat Beavertail Grip-safety, Ed Brown Sear and Disconnect, Tactical-length Mag-Release, blued, Fit a Skeletonized Commander-style hammer(Probably Wilson Combat), fit a Ed Brown tactical-size Ambidextrous Thumb-safety,Blued, Finish it off with a set of Large-Diamond ,skip-checkered Rosewood grips with SS hex-screws.


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Only one small problem... Colt quit making DA revolvers and I'm pretty sure nobody would be willing to start over again
I know, but I considered this an exercise in mental masturbation anyway ("design your own"). Nobody said it had to be available new from a factory.

Actually, come to think of it, I believe Armscop of the Philippines is making/importing a somewhat crude Colt D-frame copy, or at least they were not that long ago. I've seen them but never shot or even handled one. At one time they even had a Diamondback copy.
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S&W M&P, manual safety, 10mm, 14 round capacity, gold bead front sight. I'd buy 4 of them in a heart beat.
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Re: If you could design your own handgun, what would it...

I'd like a Walther P-22 with a .380 ACP slide and locked breech system as an add on. I want a hammer drop safety, not just a block.
I do remember the old HK-4 and I know it didn't sell well, but it's grip was not as ergometric as the P-22.
I know the P-380 is available, but the grip is much larger, not adaptable and feels different.

Geoff
Who has a Kahr 9094 which would be more interesting in .380...
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Re: If you could design your own handgun, what would it...

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Only one small problem... Colt quit making DA revolvers and I'm pretty sure nobody would be willing to start over again

The idea of a small revolver in .40 is intriguing.
Gun people are all about picking nits, and I just see that as one little niche that hasnt been covered. Is there a need for it? I doubt it, but its something different, and different often buys 18 months of steady sales all by itself. Im not so sure I would take 5 rounds of .40 over 6 rounds of .38 Special, but it does create a whole new dimension for gunzine writers to obsess over for a while.

As for who would make it...Yeah, I don't see Colt's wanting to step up the the plate for a near sure-fire failure again. Armscor Precision makes a D frame copy, and now Taurus is making a 6 shot small frame revolver that might be able to squeeze in the .40.
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Old 08-19-2010, 08:44 AM   #13
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Re: If you could design your own handgun, what would it...

I wouldn't mind an updated S&W M-27.

* I'd tell the engineers to redesign it to put the locking bolt notches between the chambers, instead of right over the chambers, elminating a weak spot.
* I'd lengthen the cylinder to take up the whole opening in the frame, so I could use longer/heavier bullets. And load them up to the new SAAMI "+P" .357 Standard I'd have adopted.
* Alternatively, I'd keep the cylinder the same length, but shorten the frame.
* No lock.
* Counterbored cylinder for case rims.
* Firing pin on the hammer where it belongs.
* Finely checkered top strap.
* Round butt frame.
* Full underlug barrel and Patridge front sight.

After hand fitting, I'd like to see what effect a DLC - Diamondlike Carbon - coating would have on the action.
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Old 08-19-2010, 04:24 PM   #14
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An alloy frame Gov't model with the rails and feed ramp made of a bit of steel dovetailed to the Grip frame. reduce worries about HP's and rail wear and galling.
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Re: If you could design your own handgun, what would it...

Well, I hope all you 'Enablers' are feeling smug tonight. I've been thinking about this thread since last night. It finally became more than I could stand at 4;12PM this afternoon and I ended up in a local shop buying a new RIA 1911A1. I came home, got on the net and ordered $450.00 worth of parts from Midway. It's not a Liebenberg frame and slide but, after tearing it down it's in-spec. I've already installed a better thumb-safety(Ed Brown) for the interim and stuck a spare Vedeki in it. Pics of the project will follow.

Again, I hope you all are happy with yourselves. You all know how impressionable I am!
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Re: If you could design your own handgun, what would it...

Snake plays, Round 2:

A 9/10 scale (so I can get my hand around it) Auto Mag in .22LR, 6" barrel.

Dark finish preferred, but not a deal-breaker--original stainless is acceptable.

If I can have conversion top halves and mags for .22MAG and .17MAG, so much the better, but I don't have to have them.
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Round 3:

This will be a cased 2 1/2 gun set.

Based on a pair of 3rd Gen (or 4th Gen, by some figuring) S&W 39/59 autopistols. One stainless steel frame (5906), one alloy frame (5904). Pair of matching top halves, one in 9mm, one in .40. I'll mix and match 'em on the frames as the mood moves me. Four mags for each caliber. And for the grand finale, a .22LR conversion fitted to both frames, and four mags for that.

I'd like the frames to have the original 39/59 trigger guard shape, NOT that squared-off backbirth.

As long as I'm dreaming, I'd like 1911/CZ75/Taurus PT92-type thumb safeties on 'em, not the S&W/P.38-type hammer-droppers.
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Re: If you could design your own handgun, what would it...

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...at 4;12PM this afternoon and I ended up in a local shop buying a new RIA 1911A1. I came home, got on the net and ordered $450.00 worth of parts from Midway.
.38 Super or .45 ACP?

If .38 Super are you going to get barrels for 9mm Luger 9mm Mak and a .22 Ciener?

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Who notes that's more money in options than base price...you drive a Corvette ZR-1 too?
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45ACP Geoff, I did think about that as they had a Colt there with both 9mm and 38Super switchout barrels/bushings and mags.
As for the options, you have to realize that the Base RIA I bought is a no-frills, bare-bones 1911A1. Original micro-miniature sights, some pug-ugly grips,etc. I'm left-handed so an Ambi thumb-safety(Cylinder&Slide) was needed, I don't like hammer-bite so a beavertail was necessary along with a Commander-style hammer( Both courtesy of Wilson Combat), it's getting a good set of Novak sights, Ed Brown grips, and a Kart Barrel. Luckily, the Ejection-port comes lowered and relieved and it has a flat MSH. A set of Wolff springs, and a Bullet-proof firing-pin and Extractor were also ordered..

I'm gonna have some fun building it!!!
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A matched left/right pair of CNC-machined-from-billet titanium or scandium 1911's, each built to original GI spec aside from sights and tweaking them to properly "hand" each and stretch the barrel out to 7".

The problem? Each piece is to be dimensionally "perfect", so that they could be disassembled, cased and used as Gauge Guns if necessary. (Colt built a very limited number of dimensionally-perfect complete 1911 parts-sets to help the other builders check tooling accuracy on their lines during WWI.)
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