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Old 12-22-2010, 01:16 AM   #61
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Re: If you could design your own handgun, what would it...

What is all this talk about "Hot Submachinegun Ammo?"

NATO standard 9mm is not especially "hot."

I know there was some Danish/Swedish 9mm for the Carl Gustave SMG loaded with 145 gr. bullets to the same velocities as 124 gr, but I doubt it was widely distributed. 9mm NATO standard is mainly concerned with dimensions and force to operate weapons and was the reason for adopting the M-9.

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Who notes he went into a "focus group" while in the Army believing in a double column large pistol, and came out a fan of the SIG 225.
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Old 12-22-2010, 05:01 AM   #62
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make it about 3lbs lighter.
Oh, my aching hand...
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Old 12-22-2010, 07:19 AM   #63
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Skeptic49; all,

in the 1970s (when i was stationed in BRD) the BGS, GSG9 & certain other "special duty forces" were armed with a submachinegun that would safely fire a round that FAR exceeded the normal specs of NATO 9mm ball (i'd guess, by a factor of about TWO!). - don't hold me to this (as it's been nearly 4 decades ago) but i think the specs were: 140 grain bullet at about 1600FPS, out of a @10" buzzgun barrel.
the same buzzgun would also fire NATO ball (at a greatly reduced power level.)

this HOT ammo was NOT issued to the "line troops" of the Heer & we were all warned that the buzzgun ammo was outright DANGEROUS in ANY pistol of that era. = i heeded that warning as i value my head, hands & my treasured "pre-war" Browning HP.

to all: the BGS also had a (i think DANISH-made) subgun (for "certain special opns") that was "suppressed" to the point that it was nearly SILENT. - i never got to fire one, but i saw it fired on the range & it was "downright spooky" to see a target shredded, without accompanying "racket".

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Could be the Jati (pronounced Ya-tee): http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Jatimatic_SMG
This is a SMG that made quite a stir when it first came out in the early 80s; lots of people were talking about it, and I think it enjoyed some fairly brisk sales for a few years.

Also, the MP5 does pretty well with very high pressure cartridges. In theory, the delayed roller locking system should "lock up" (it's never truely locked) more, the higher the pressure is.
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Kevin Gibson,

fyi, i like the MP5 fine but frankly i like the STERLING and OLD "pre-war" MP38A subguns better.
(the Germans stopped making the MP38 for ECONOMY reasons only - it was a FAR better subgun than the MP40, imVho.)

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The MP 38 & 40 were pretty decent, but to my way of thinking, the Sterling is the benchmark of what a SMG ought to be. They are the most reliable SMG I've ever messed with, they just rattle along like a Singer sewing machine with a cyclic rate that seems to be just right, not too fast, and not too slow. The Sterling magazine is the "AK mag" of SMG magazines, extremely well made. The folding stock is rock solid when extended and really does a good job of disappearing when folded. Even though the SMG has fallen out of favor in military circles, I still feel the Sterling is an excellent weapon for a lot of uses. They are so well designed and so well made.
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Kevin Gibson,

AGREED!

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