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Old 03-01-2018, 06:17 PM   #1
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"Your life means nothing to them, just as the lost lives in Chicago mean nothing to them. There are several Parklands a month in the Windy City, but the Democrats who run it donít care. They know where the bad guys are. They wonít act. Instead, they feign concern over the children because faking outrage will help them do what they really want done. Thatís why you had them arguing that the idea of a cop actually doing his job was crazy."

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Old 03-01-2018, 06:50 PM   #2
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Not only does the LEFT not care about lost Black lives in the ghetto, it gives them something to MOAN/WHINE/WHIMPER about at election time & try to BLAME UPON the GOP.

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Old 03-01-2018, 07:13 PM   #3
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Gun control is solely about control.
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Old 03-01-2018, 07:38 PM   #4
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csmkersh,

YEP.

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Old 03-02-2018, 03:47 PM   #5
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Both parties are VERY guilty of this.

Anyone who thinks doing "this one thing" will fix the problem is in denial. Dems say ban guns, Trump says arm teachers...neither is going to fix the problem.

But they each conveniently align with the agenda's of the two parties, who really don't give a rats ass about you, I, or the kids in school. These two parties represent corporations, not citizens. The concern for citizens is to placate their voters and make them think they care about them.

The school shooting is a SYMPTOM of a much larger issue that is very complex, and won't be fixed with one parties's pet "silver bullet" solution.

I have yet to hear ANYONE talk about the actual entire issue. I have yet to hear anyone talk about perhaps commissioning a study to determine the scope of the issue and how best to deal with it. I have yet to hear anyone admit that the shooting is one symptom of a comprehensive disease.

Until someone takes the issue holistically, it will be a never ending supply of listening to the likes of Feinstein pitch her half baked ideas.
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GunGeek,

Pardon me for putting on my old police hat & telling you that NOTHING except OVERWHELMING armed force will end the scourge of school shootings.
(Here in Bexar County, do NOT believe that if you come into our schools to commit mass murder that you. will leave alive. = Such persons will, without much question, leave the building in the ME's van. - Fwiw, I know any number of the ISD police officers.)

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I've heard a lot of people theorizing about the root cause of these shootings. While I agree teachers ought to be able to ccw (with proper training), I don't agree with banning any type of gun, as most here know.
I do think GunGeek has a valid point though .... there's something deeper, cultural or sociological going on, and it needs to be addressed.
When our parents were young they'd put their rifle or shotgun in a rack in their pickups or car trunks, go to school, then afterwards go hunting. They didn't go shooting up their schools.
My own first experience with riflery was in the mid 1960s ....my dad signed me up with the Police Athletic League where every Wednesday evening I'd go to a police range and target practice with .22 rifles. This was in Westport, Connecticut , a liberal town in southwest Connecticut. I wonder what the residents of that gold Coast community would think of teaching boys how to shoot rifles today.
Our DNA hasn't changed in 50 years, or 5,000 years. Something is happening in our society in how kids are being acculturated that's causing this.
GunGeek is correct ....it's not going to stop by JUST arming the teachers. That's treating a symptom --- one that might need treating --- but it's only a small part of the job.

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I think Dr Spock started it all with his ideas about child rearing. All the libs talk about how easy it is to get a gun, before 1968 you could buy a gun through the mail, no questions asked no paperwork and delivered to your door.
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My HS had an indoor range. Those kids with PUs usually had a .30-30 or shotgun in a mount in the back window. We've lost so much...
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Our DNA hasn't changed in 50 years, or 5,000 years. Something is happening in our society in how kids are being acculturated that's causing this.GunGeek is correct ....it's not going to stop by JUST arming the teachers. That's treating a symptom --- one that might need treating --- but it's only a small part of the job.

I think you can start at Roe/V/Wade and the De-moralizing of society and God.I remember a couple of buddies and I decided to walk on a rival campus back in 78 and were stopped in our tracks within 2-3 mins maybe quicker.Basically one way in on that side and we were noticed without a gun in hand.If the US and Britain did not have air superiority in WWII the Germans could of choke hold us on the beaches;control the way in!
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I think the information age plays a role (not the whole thing, a role). How news of these incidents spread is a phenomena all its own. For most, when we hear of these things we're repulsed and disgusted. For someone teetering on the fence of doing something deplorable, these incidents reach them as inspiration. That needs to be studied.

It's fortunate that we have actually captured a couple of these shooters alive, now they can be studied. Like When Mark Chapman (who killed Lennon) was imprisoned; he ended up being the absolute archetype for the dangerous stalker, and SO much was learned from him that saved countless lives.
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Thank you, Walt. Update from Illinois:

https://www.themaven.net/bluelivesma...ekLTWtw?full=1

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Thank you, Walt. Update from Illinois:

https://www.themaven.net/bluelivesma...ekLTWtw?full=1
WHOA!!!

I'm totally sure everyone will line up to turn in their guns. Reminds me of 25+ years ago when CA declared various guns "assault rifles" and had to be registered. In a state of 35 million people, I think about 100 were actually registered.

And with the stroke of a pen, we turn ordinary law abiding citizens into criminals. I'm sure it will totally solve all gun related problems in the universe... Thank God we have the Democrats to save us all from ourselves (why do I feel we need a middle finger emoji ??)
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GunGeek,

Pardon me for putting on my old police hat & telling you that NOTHING except OVERWHELMING armed force will end the scourge of school shootings.
(Here in Bexar County, do NOT believe that if you come into our schools to commit mass murder that you. will leave alive. = Such persons will, without much question, leave the building in the ME's van. - Fwiw, I know any number of the ISD police officers.)

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SW...you act like a conservative or something

I agree with your statements though...BUT.

That statement applies after a whole lot of things have already failed, and I don't think anyone is paying attention much to all the other failures that have to happen before there's a school shooting.

Clearly this phenomenon is largely sociological and psychological (along with a good 1/2 dozen other "logical's" I'm guessing).

I really wish someone would do a study to try to understand the WHOLE issue. The easiest attack to counter is the avoided attack. No one seems to be much interested in the WHOLE issue.

Understanding the psychological and sociological issues can tell us what is broken that we should be trying to fix. Even with that, you simply HAVE TO have good security at schools. And securing ANY location takes the following 4 things... !1 - Deter, 2 - Detect, 3 - Delay, 4 - Respond.

Even the "overwhelming force" you mention only addresses the last of the 4.

I think US citizens need to demand their two political parties actually ADDRESS THE ISSUE rather than roll out their pre-planned responses (that just happen to perfectly align with their voting base...hmmmm), that we work on addressing the whole issue. After all, these are our children.


Just look at the sociological issue in a high school...I mean, who would want to repeat their high school years?

Let's put 1,000 - 6,000 kids in close proximity who are:
The most insecure they'll ever be
The most confused they'll ever be.
Very short temper
Feeling social pressures they have never had before (and trying to figure it out)
RAGING hormones
And picking on/bullying doesn't stop when school gets out now...we now have social media, so kids get it 24/7.

Every kid is different...some cope very well with high school, others are institutionalized by it. The social dynamics of high school (and middle school) need to be changed.

Just imagine if all the kids who walked out in support of gun control, actually ganged up on those bullying and picking on other kids. Imagine if someone picking on some kid who doesn't fit in found himself immediately surrounded by 10 kids telling him to stop being an arsehole!
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I remember how cliquish high school was way back in the late 60's and early 70's. Heads, freaks, geeks, jocks, rednecks, all different kinds of groups existed. There were always bullies, and they always found people to pick on, usually those smaller, weaker or just different. I went to high school in three different countries (Philippines, US and West Germany...military brat). Granted that the DOD schools were populated by military brats and kids of civilians working for the DOD, we still had some of the same issues socially as any other school system.

Nobody ever came to school with a gun.

I have 14 and 15 year old grandsons now. The social pressure to be part of the "in" crowd (or whatever they call it now) is intense. And NOT being part of that crowd makes that person a target for insults, bullying and , maybe worse, ostracization. I know we had it in my day, but it seems much worse now.

I do blame it on social media and television and movies and video games and working parents and divorce...and people who just don't pay attention to their own kids. People who don't talk to their own kids. People who don't listen to their own kids. People who don't correct them when they are wrong, and who more importantly, praise them when they are right.

Kids need to understand that they have an inherent self-worth, no matter what the screen (big or little) or billboards or magazines say they have to have to be cool . Kids need to praised when they succeed and encouraged to keep trying when they fail. They need to be proud of who they are and where they come from.

That probably won't solve this issue. But it might be a start.

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Just imagine if all the kids who walked out in support of gun control, actually ganged up on those bullying and picking on other kids. Imagine if someone picking on some kid who doesn't fit in found himself immediately surrounded by 10 kids telling him to stop being an arsehole!

And that in part lies I think the problem maturity wise.The one that gets bullied when he/she responds is as at much at fault as the oppressor.The 60,70 and 80's one could fight back and we were not trying to kill each other either just stake out territory/boundaries.The event taught you defense and esteem even if you lost another thing that has changed dramatically is the size of the family.I grew up in a house with seven children alot of families were 3-5 and that teaches you love,sharing and how to protect a sister or sibling.The Family Unit IrishCop brought up the both parents working a good point also.All I can say the problem is a big one and good portion of it started 30years ago but seems to of accelerated with the advent social communication by devices(mainly cellphones) instead of a face to face.
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Here was a Nice tax in the article


Governor Bruce Rauner then vetoed the gun dealer licensing bill.

It would have required the Illinois Department of Financial and Professional Regulation to collect $1,000 from each dealer for a five-year license, and required training of employees and videotaping in "critical areas" of the business, the Chicago Tribune reported.
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