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Old 05-08-2018, 01:19 PM   #21
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For Universal Checks to be anywhere near effective, the gun being transferred has to be recorded...You get three guesses where this leads, and the first two don't count.
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What that law is is UNCONSTITUTIONAL, as it violates both of your RIGHTS as US citizens.

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Addendum to my prior comment, this is part of why I've gotten into AR pistols from "eighty percent lower" blanks. Nobody in bureaucracy has the slightest bit of paper that they exist, and with just a cordless drill for machining nobody can do a DAMN thing to stop me. AND they're apparently legal for carry on a CCW permit here in WA...

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Old 05-10-2018, 09:48 AM   #23
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I've just about given up hope that the Evil Swamp is going to let Trump accomplish anything.
Sadly, this is what Washington has come to. Republicans blocked pretty much everything Obama tried to do after the Dems lost the House. And now the Dems are doing pretty much the same thing. I strongly suspect this will be the new normal.
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Sadly, this is what Washington has come to. Republicans blocked pretty much everything Obama tried to do after the Dems lost the House. And now the Dems are doing pretty much the same thing. I strongly suspect this will be the new normal.
Not just Democrats, either... you have the Bipartisan Power Class whosquabble amongst themselves, but when somebody comes in to seriously upset the applecart the Dem-Repukeagain Establishment come together as the Axis of S***weasel to keep power concentrated in DC.
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The information age has been a bumpy ride for politics. It has given a huge voice to the more radical elements of the extreme right and extreme left; and their voices have become loudest within their parties. So, now we live in an age of childish idiots who are incapable of realizing, in a nation of 260 million people, there are those who may not share your same viewpoints. Back when we had adults in congress, there was debate on bills, the more extremist points were weeded out, and a compromise was made that each side could grudgingly live with. For the most part, that just isn't happening anymore. So the extremist idiots are managing to virtually shut down government (which isn't always a bad thing...but mostly is).
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GunGeek,

I would guess that you will consider me one of the rightist idiots, as I want NO COMPROMISE of any sort whatever of our LIBERTY & want EVERY hate-FILLED, arrogant leftist OUT of any "position of public trust" in the US government FOREVER.

It is a well-established fact that "compromise" to a leftist radical (which is virtually the entire leadership of "the DIMocRATS Party") means MORE government intervention in citizen's daily lives, MORE very expensive but utterly worthless "give away programs" to those who are unwilling to work for their keep & the loss of more & more of our Natural Rights.
(Certain of those RIGHTS are simply listed in the Bill of Rights, though they PRE-EXISTED the US Constitution.)

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The information age has been a bumpy ride for politics. It has given a huge voice to the more radical elements of the extreme right and extreme left; and their voices have become loudest within their parties. So, now we live in an age of childish idiots who are incapable of realizing, in a nation of 260 million people, there are those who may not share your same viewpoints. Back when we had adults in congress, there was debate on bills, the more extremist points were weeded out, and a compromise was made that each side could grudgingly live with. For the most part, that just isn't happening anymore. So the extremist idiots are managing to virtually shut down government (which isn't always a bad thing...but mostly is).
I'm not so sure we ever had adults in congress .... after the Civil War, during reconstruction, things in congress began becoming UNcivil....fights broke out, guns often being brought into the halls of congress. It was worse than we see on the tv news from places like Taiwan and Japan today when things go sideways.
Tempers in government, even ours, are not even over time. I suspect that the "information age" , as you suggest, has also played a role .... as well as simply making us more aware of the problem.
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For Universal Checks to be anywhere near effective, the gun being transferred has to be recorded.
Nope.

They do the "Universal Check" on EVERYBODY when they get their driver's license. It is noted on your license if you are a US citizen, if you are eligible to vote and if you are eligible to buy a gun.

Private purchases are required to check the driver's license of the buyer and only sell to them if they are eligible.

This will be every bit as effective as anything else being proposed. If they are proposing something more controlling, then it's because they want more control.
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Nope.

They do the "Universal Check" on EVERYBODY when they get their driver's license. It is noted on your license if you are a US citizen, if you are eligible to vote and if you are eligible to buy a gun.

Private purchases are required to check the driver's license of the buyer and only sell to them if they are eligible.

This will be every bit as effective as anything else being proposed. If they are proposing something more controlling, then it's because they want more control.
The money quote and real purpose of the 'background check' farce. Unless the State can actually track the transfer of guns, there is no way they can ensure that 'unqualified' people are prevented from buying guns. Even then, the system will be bypassed, but the simple method you propose requires the State to trust its members--something government is very loathe to do.
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