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Old 02-22-2006, 04:11 PM   #1
 
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Synthetic M1 Stocks

Ok Ok I know there is going to be a flame war over this.
But I don't care, Who makes the best synthetic M1 garand stock.

I know bell and carlson makes them and ramline, anyone else make M1 stocks in synthetic??

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Old 02-25-2006, 10:39 PM   #2
 
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I am aware of three brands of synthetic Garand stocks. The two that you mentioned and the DPMS stock set.
The DPMS stock is excellent in some regards and really sucks in others. They need a lot of fitting before they will work and the material is strange. It is a hard rubbery sort of stuff. For field use, they are great. If you want to use your Garand in competiton where tight slings are used, the DPMS stocks are inadequate.

I have Ramline and DPMS synthetics. They serve their intended purposes very well. However, if I knew then what I know now, I would get a Bell and Carlson stock set.
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Old 02-26-2006, 06:09 AM   #3
 
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Maddogkiller: I have the Bell and Carlson. If I had known years ago what I know now, I would have done all my Garands in Bell and Carlson and not bothered with wood.
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Old 02-26-2006, 07:15 PM   #4
 
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Sir
Could you expound more on the virtues of the bell and carlson stock??? Id like to know why they are so good.

Thanks
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Old 02-28-2006, 05:28 PM   #5
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Old 03-04-2006, 06:55 AM   #6
 
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Bell and Carlson

I don't profess to have perfect knowledge, just some life experience that might have relevance.

I took a long range precision rifle class. I took a couple of m1as in USGI wooden stocks. The guns were made by Spr------. The stocks failed. I then replaced them with USGI synthetic stocks. Work just great. Not Garands though.

I took a "bedded" Garand in 30-06 and replaced the wooden stock with a synthetic stock. It shot better in groups.

Yes, I have USGI Garand stocks and Boyd stocks that were shaped and reworked. By the time I was done, the cost was comparable to having synthetic stocks with which the actions could just fall in without bedding.

No. I am not a purist. All I want is what works for me. I will say this. If I had to start over again with Garands, I would go with Bell and Carlson stocks and Amega Ranges Forward scope mounts (no tap/no drill-replace rear handguard) and a Burris 2.75x forward scope. I would be shooting circles around myself from when I was in the Army 28 years ago relying then on iron sights and a wooden stock.
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Old 03-04-2006, 09:07 AM   #7
 
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The only reason that M1s were made with wooden stocks is that the technology to manufacture synthetics stocks economically did not exist in 1936.

I am a purist in that I want the rifle to look like a Garand. I would not want a synthetic stock that looked like that SAGE stock that seems to be popular with the M1A crowd.
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Old 03-04-2006, 02:49 PM   #8
 
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There's also another un-named brand in either the Brownells or Midway catalog....cant remeber which and the catalogs arn't nearby at the moment. But I too was wondering a while back and came across this unidentified one......

RE-POST when you get one...I'm desperately curious about these monstrosities to mother nature and Garand purism too!

FWIW- I've NEVER had good luck with OTHER Ramline stocks and with it being relatively critical for the Garand...just my $0.02 but I'd stay away...better said~ I'd RUN away from them......

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Old 03-04-2006, 10:33 PM   #9
 
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Interesting Idea gents.

I think the other synthetic stock your thinking of is MPI they make fiber glass stocks (that require pressure bedding) for the M1 and M14 style rifles.

Also someone mentioned the DPMS stock which is made from Polypropolene I believe, and these are supposed to be drill rifle stocks. But im not sure as to there actual history.


Thanks guys think this is something I need to expirement with.

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Old 03-05-2006, 08:36 PM   #10
 
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FWIW- I've NEVER had good luck with OTHER Ramline stocks and with it being relatively critical for the Garand...just my $0.02 but I'd stay away...better said~ I'd RUN away from them......

Metalhead
The RAMLINE stocks for the Garand are decent stocks. I have two and they have provided good service for their intended use. They won't win any beauty contest, but they aren't unpleasant in appearance either. I bought the first one because the wooden stock that I had refinished lasted about 15 minutes before I inadvertently hooked my foot on the buttstock and skeetered it across the concrete floor. After that, I decided that wooden stocks were just not up to the task on MY rifles.
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Old 03-05-2006, 09:06 PM   #11
 
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Maddogkiller~

WOW(!).... the litteral 1 in 1000!!!! I'm glad somebody's having some kind of luck with Ramline. I've posted elswhere on the board some of the stories with them for me and also with friends...but they were not the one's for a Garand. I have 1 (ONE) workable ramline mag out of 2, maybe 3 lots of 30 mags purchased over a week. If I hadnt bought them at a gunshow they would have gone back immediately even if I had to take a ding on the refund. The stocks.....OMG...had one for a SKS that simpley didn't have enough trigger group clearence and made the gun both slam fire and go beyond "multi- burst". Some of the mags I sold off, some I gave to friends all with the caveot that were POS. The stock on the other hand I SAWED IN HALF and threw away; I didn't want no one getting hurt off the thing!!! Went back to the wood.

It IS nice to know that somebody either got lucky or Ramline's employees were actually putting thier efforts towards SOMETHING other than crap. HOW LONG AGO did you get the stocks? I'd like to hope & pray thier quality control has gone up (last stock was about 1995-97 or somewhere thereabouts).

But I can tell you this. I MIGHT buy another ramline if THREE conditions were met- one, that NOTHING else was available, two- that it was one of those absolutly OMG cheap prices, and three~ there was the ability to return it.

IIRC correctly about the Ramlines being in Midway's and/or Brownells catalogs- BOTH are pretty good about returns...but I have NO idea on if the stock's actually been tried on the weapon (with or without firing it)......

Maddog~ got any pics? Them B&W catalog shots or Internet 2k photos just are hard to get any kind of detail on any of these things

ANYBODY got a pic of the DPMS or Bell &etc. ???????? All this talk is getting me jonesin' for a new stock...I was playing with the Garands before logging on... I need AT LEAST one new/newer on and now even more curious about these synthetics.......

I know BIGGGGGG pics cant be put here; but I'd love to see 'em. I've discoved photobucket.com is working pretty well and you can either link or img link (if pic aint too big for here).

Thanks,

Metalhead

BTW.... think I'm gonna start a new thread on/about "inletting" and fitting one of these...you guys have me real curious now!!!!!
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Old 03-06-2006, 08:30 PM   #12
 
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Re: Synthetic M1 Stocks

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Ok Ok I know there is going to be a flame war over this.
But I don't care, Who makes the best synthetic M1 garand stock.

I know bell and carlson makes them and ramline, anyone else make M1 stocks in synthetic??

Brother in Arms
Brother in Arms,

Another alternative would be a Boyd's Laminated Wood stock. They have characteristics similar to synthetics and are tuff due to the layers of wood and epoxy, are decent looking, and reasonably priced. Laminated wood stocks have been used in benchrest shooting for years.

Take Care,

Tony
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